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Do technological advancements make war more destructive or antiseptic, and therefore more acceptable?

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i think understanding is only one way of obtaining peace. I agree it's very likely that peace can be reached through violence as well, why not? is the question.

And, in regards to the initial posed question...i think it's stupid. War doesn't become more acceptable. The nuclear arms race is proof of that. It's become all the more taboo, and frowned upon. Think about it, that's why conventional war is the only "acceptable" form of war. As in, a compromise of war methodology. The general tenet is that war shouldn't involve higher forms of technology because they are so dangerous, nuclear, bio, radiological, chemical, whatever. It's not making it more acceptable, if it was we'd be fighting with those, (i know that's not the only reason, second strikes is a reason as is many others, no need to point out the flaws in my logif.

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War is never acceptable. The idea of a scale of "acceptability" is ludricrous.

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But do you believe war is a way to achieve peace?

Technological advancements will always occur and make war more destructive, therefore, I believe it is not acceptable...

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quote:
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But do you believe war is a way to achieve peace?



sure

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quote:
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But do you believe war is a way to achieve peace?


If you win the war, you get to write the peace treaty. (Well not you per se.)

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peace treaty...

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If you win the war, you get to write the peace treaty. (Well not you per se.)
Actually, your side does not actually write the treaty. There is a conference in a neutral country and they agree on points. However, you get to make the demands and sometimes they are forced to accept their demands.

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Re: peace treaty...

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Actually, your side does not actually write the treaty. There is a conference in a neutral country and they agree on points. However, you get to make the demands and sometimes they are forced to accept their demands.


Yes, that happens in every single war throughout history because it's some unwritten rule of war that every single side of every war has decided to follow out of courtesy (sarcasm).....No, no, it doesn't have to happen like that everytime...and it really doesn't. That's an awful strict rule for countries who have just won a war to someone just decide to follow haha, i really don't see why they would at all, and they don't.

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I would like to know... why does society/government/etc. spend so much money on distructions like that when we already have anough nuclear bombs to blow up Earth? Why do we spend that kind of money to make such machines? Can't we spend money on things that are more conservative? Something that'll actually help out instead of kill---perhaps spending money on research of cancer and how to cure it? Why do what we do base itself on wants instead of needs?


All this confuddles me... it makes me angry... what we can do to help, instead we do for a want...

for instance, eugenics... cloning... those unnecessary things should not even be done...

to what I see, everything we do revolves around money and we can do better things with money instead of nuisance things like so...

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quote:
Originally posted by Ladi Jay
I would like to know... why does society/government/etc. spend so much money on distructions like that when we already have anough nuclear bombs to blow up Earth?

relate back to the cold war. At first, US had the atomic bomb so they held an advantage. But Stalin ordered top scientists to devlop an atomic bomb. and when they succeeded...the arms race started. I'm guessing its a matter of fear and competition. we're arming ourselves with such weapons to withstand any attack by other countries.

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governments spend money to support weapons of mass destruction because of neccesity and of fear. Fear was manifest during the Cold War era wherein we had the arms race against Russia, as Twinkie mentioned. Now that the Soviet Union has fallen, we have "disarmed (a misnomer term btw)" a bunch of our weapons, but we still keep some ready lest we be caught unaware. In that respect, the US government is correct. We cannot be too naive in thinking that if we threw down our weapons and started trusting everyone, then everyone would love us back. It doesn't work that way. On the topic of neccesity, maintaining nuclear weapons just takes a shitload of money. That is a fact.

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Why do what we do base itself on wants instead of needs?


that is simply not the case.

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Can't we spend money on things that are more conservative?


how is that conservative. If anything, the idea of helping others is a very liberal idea.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ladi Jay
I would like to know... why does society/government/etc. spend so much money on distructions like that when we already have anough nuclear bombs to blow up Earth? Why do we spend that kind of money to make such machines? Can't we spend money on things that are more conservative? Something that'll actually help out instead of kill---perhaps spending money on research of cancer and how to cure it? Why do what we do base itself on wants instead of needs?

alrite in ur mind u want the USA to be completely and sadly DEFENCELESS. good idea, NO ITS NOT. we r not completely militaristic, we spend money on missle DEFENCE systems and incase a war does come we r preparin. hav u ever heard of the Manhattan Project durin world war 2? if it wasnt for the nuke we would hav had 2 kill even more people on both sides in order 2 defeat Japan.
hav u been under a rock? u want things like 9/11 2 happen again?
i originally was against wat Psytek thought but now i see the light

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-edit-accidently quoted instead of edit

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quote:
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I would like to know... why does society/government/etc. spend so much money on distructions like that when we already have anough nuclear bombs to blow up Earth? Why do we spend that kind of money to make such machines?


deterrence

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Can't we spend money on things that are more conservative? Something that'll actually help out instead of kill---perhaps spending money on research of cancer and how to cure it?



of course we can.

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Why do what we do base itself on wants instead of needs?



don't know what that means

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All this confuddles me... it makes me angry... what we can do to help, instead we do for a want...



um...we are helping our own nation. That is helping. And, yes a lot of things are done for wants in the world, but i'm sure america does far more "helping" than most other countries in teh world, so i don't see what you have to get mad about.

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for instance, eugenics... cloning... those unnecessary things should not even be done...


I like eugenics and cloning. Unnecessary? Ok fine, but if we find a cure to cancer through cloning research...is it unnecessary? That's what you wanted, right?

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to what I see, everything we do revolves around money and we can do better things with money instead of nuisance things like so...



i'd hardly call it a nuisance. I don't agree with constant proliferation, but i don't think it's stupid. We wouldn't be the sole super power of the world if we weren't operating this way.

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quote:
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alrite in ur mind u want the USA to be completely and sadly DEFENCELESS. good idea, NO ITS NOT. we r not completely militaristic, we spend money on missle DEFENCE systems and incase a war does come we r preparin. hav u ever heard of the Manhattan Project durin world war 2? if it wasnt for the nuke we would hav had 2 kill even more people on both sides in order 2 defeat Japan.
hav u been under a rock? u want things like 9/11 2 happen again?
i originally was against wat Psytek thought but now i see the light




I'm not saying that I want the US to be completely defenseless... What I'm trying to say is that there is no need to make bigger and better weapons of destruction... not just in the US but where else...

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I like eugenics and cloning. Unnecessary? Ok fine, but if we find a cure to cancer through cloning research...is it unnecessary? That's what you wanted, right?



sorrie, I should have made that clear... I meant cloning people, not organs...



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quote:
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sorrie, I should have made that clear... I meant cloning people, not organs...


no, i know what you were implying. I don't think they are isolatory at all. Cloning people would lead to more research which could help find a cure to cancer. I don't think you can isolate the two and say one helps and the other doesn't. And again, i like cloning...let's do it.


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no, i know what you were implying. I don't think they are isolatory at all. Cloning people would lead to more research which could help find a cure to cancer. I don't think you can isolate the two and say one helps and the other doesn't. And again, i like cloning...let's do it.



so how can cloning people help find cure for cancer? Sure, they'll have the same DNA, genes, and what ever else, but will we use the clone to experiment on? I find the cloned person to be another human being... doesn't sound very appetizing! again, cloning people is just a way to make money and find oneself in public... it's dispicable (sp?)... I find it immoral and disgusting again, we are taking what we know a step too far into what we don't NEED but what we WANT... As of right now, it is illegal in the states to clone people, and it should stay that way... (should be illegal in other countries also) we do not know enough about DNA to do such a thing yet... there WILL be a defect in our outcome, maybe not the first couple times we do it, but it will occur some time later... we should think about safety first, if we want to create the super human with the ideological characteristics... I like nature and what it has done!!!

(oops, didn't mean to turn this thread into another cloning section)

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