I just read this amazing book. Its about how science and religion really never contradict each other but in fact complement each other and the people who say that science disproves religion, or vice versa, say so out of ignorance, and lack of understanding of the other field.

The title is "The Science of God" and its by some professor from MIT. I forgot the name because it was a library book. He proves that you cannot take the Bible literally, and that possibly the six days before man were truly eons. Tons of other very interesting stuff, and things that you'll go like "Wow, that's true!"

I'm really not the one to explain it. I'm the sort of person who gets it, but can't repeat it, you know? Anyhow, I suggest this as definite reading. Sort of cancelled out any doubts I struggled with as a Christian. Now its all about living the straight path.

If you actually have read or went out to get it, and then read it, I would definitley like to hear your opinion and whether you agreed with the book or not.

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How long is it, might I ask.

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people who say that science disproves religion, or vice versa, say so out of ignorance, and lack of understanding of the other field.

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i say so out of proof from science. im sure many of the points in the book make sense but the one thing that totally contradicts the bible that is proven is evolution. did the book mention that? im jw cause id like to know what his argument was about it. sounds like an interesting book.

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no, that would be another statement that would be perceived as ignorance. It's not that harsh of a term and i don't see why people get so offended about it because it's a very valid descriptor (not saying you are offended cause id on't think you were). Perhaps a better word that could be used would be naivity, as in naive.

By saying science contradicts religion, we are saying so only because we haven't realized the "greater scope" of the two approaches, we haven't realized how the two can connect and hence because we are speaking on terms that are not perceived as knowledgable than one who does realize it, then it can be arguable called ignorance, or "lack of understanding."

Anyway, evolution complements religion in probably micro evolutionary forms because i don't think that the bible or any other relgiion would endorse macro evolution (species evolving to another completely different species), but they do admit that we have "evolved" from what we used to be. But, if that's their only argument against it i don't htink it's that great....it's picking and choosing what complements and then just subsuming all of science (even the ones that were just......left out for hte sake of consistency) into something that complements religion.

I'm sure it's a good book, sounds interesting, i might check it out. MIT folks are rather smart hehe

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Psycho, just for reference, the noun of "naive" is "naivete" with an umlat (double dot) over the i and an accent over the last e (accent is optional but umlat is not)

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ah, that's interesting. Thank you.

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i just dont have any religious beliefs. what im saying may be naive to you, but i feel the same way about what you are saying. i prefer not to debate over the subject because ive already done it once with a very in depth post and have already posted my views on the subject. if u wana see how i feel click here.

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i just dont have any religious beliefs. what im saying may be naive to you, but i feel the same way about what you are saying. i prefer not to debate over the subject because ive already done it once with a very in depth post and have already posted my views on the subject. if u wana see how i feel click here.

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o alrite cool. i always feel so obligated to start a big debate here whenever anythiing religious comes up cause im one of the few who arent.

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Every person who has replied to this thread is atheist. You're not alone. Not here anyway.

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Ever see the movie Logan's Run?

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How long is it, might I ask.

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Edit: To the last of my knowledge it was still the THEORY of evolution.THEORY

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you make some good observations, but i don't think the author's goal was to try to convert atheists. rather, i think the author might have been trying to quell some of the doubts christians have when they think about science. anyway, a deacon (i think...some clergy member) at my church told me a few years ago that there is no conflict between science and religion. at the time i was going through my "questioning" period in exploring my faith, as i'm sure most religious people have done, and i didn't understand it at the time, but i think i do now. this book sounds really interesting and i definitely want to read it sometime

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you make some good observations, but i don't think the author's goal was to try to convert atheists.

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Disproven? I don't speak for anyone but I really wouldn't be offended. I'd like to know how it was.

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nobody cares, everyone knows that. Same thign with creation, so it's not like you are gaining any ground by stating this.

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in the field of science, the word theory is used to describe a group of findings that are all linked but cannot be proven 100% due to lack of advances in technology. for example - theory of gravity, atomic theory.

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As far as I know, gravity isn't a theory, it's a scientific LAW that's proven with a mathematical equation. However, evolution and creationism are both THEORIES on the origin of the universe. We've grown up in this society believing that evolution is FACT. You can look at any science textbooks and no where in there do they state that evolution is a THEORY, or that scientists aren't 100% sure that the earth is 4.5 billion yrs old. They simply want you to accept this as the truth and don't even attempt to present the other side of the story. The whole world is biased towards believing in evolution, even though over 90% of the population believe in some sort of God. There is NO evidence watsoever that backs up evolution. No links that prove we came from monkeys or from microscopic organisms. Any evidence that was ever presented was proven to be either false or hoaxed.

People that follow evolution say that "faith" is the only thing that creationists have to back up their beliefs. Ask yourself this: What requires more faith? believing that a loving God perfectly designed us, our bodies, our cells, our genetic code, so that all parts of our living body would work together and function as one organism. Or that, over billions and billions of years, life mysteriously formed on this planet from organic elements in the water and evolved into the complex, trillion celled beings that we are today.

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