well, here I was actually starting to enjoy this discussion and looking forward to your reply. hmm...of the few times I have a positive outlook on humanity, something has to screw it up. Anyways, on with the responses:

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Originally posted by kangg fu
ok well first how bout you make some good arguments instead of just questioning mine

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to answer the question about food vs. sex

eating in itself is not wrong. it is necessary for survival. but it must be done appropriately. when it gets out of control, eating can, too, become sin. after all, one of the seven deadly sins is gluttony, no? it is when self-control is not exhibited and eating becomes, like it says in colossians 3:5, a form of idolatry.

likewise, sex in itself is not wrong. after all, it is God who invented it for the reproduction of humankind. but it, too, has its restrictions. having self-control in the area of sex is to wait until one is married. to do it outside of that is to be a glutton in sex.

there is no double standard. food and sex are both wonderful things given to us by God. but because of that, they can only be wonderful when they performed in the way God intended them for us.

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for pete's sake argue about how mastubation isnt a sin not how i argued it man...

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Originally posted by kangg fu
for pete's sake argue about how mastubation isnt a sin not how i argued it man...

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ok sooo...what are your arguments supporting that masturbation isnt a sin?

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Originally posted by kangg fu
ok sooo...what are your arguments supporting that masturbation isnt a sin?

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man i cant believe you actually argue for the sake of argument, and not only that but you try to "win" the argument and actually believe that it was a matter of winning or losing. You dont really care whether masturbation is a sin, and im just another person you started an argument with for the sake of arguing...at the same time trying to blow people away with fancy words...grow up

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man i cant believe you actually argue for the sake of argument, and not only that but you try to "win" the argument and actually believe that it was a matter of winning or losing.

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and you are aware that you can use techniques outside of a contest atmosphere, aren't you? It's simply another method of argumentation.

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You dont really care whether masturbation is a sin

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you're right, I really don't

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Originally posted by kangg fu
and im just another person you started an argument with for the sake of arguing...grow up

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Well, to be exact, I argued because you're main assertion was, quite frankly, very flawed. This piqued my interest, and I responded. How that has anything to do with my level of growth, I cannot see. Explain it to me, i'm facinated....really.

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Originally posted by kangg fu
at the same time trying to blow people away with fancy words

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I wasn't really trying to "blow people away" (witness all my other posts in the forum), but now that you mention it, I suppose that it's a nice byproduct

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wow you're cocky.

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wow you're cocky.

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btw, kangg fu's original statement was not "flawed" as you described it. ultimately, his statement that it is selfishness that makes it wrong is true. it is when it is centered on the self and the self's desires and not in accordance with God's will.

just because you didn't understand what he meant by selfish does not mean his statement was flawed. "unclear to someone who is more ignorant," perhaps, would have been a better way to describe it.

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just because you didn't understand what he meant by selfish does not mean his statement was flawed. "unclear to someone who is more ignorant," perhaps, would have been a better way to describe it.

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I'll concede this one. You're right, "flawed" was a bit strong, and a bit off. I based this upon the apparent missing link between masturbation and selfishness that I, as well as one who is religiously attuned, missed. In that respect, yes, it was unclear and not very thorough at all, and those two descriptions would have been better substitutes.
btw I'm assuming that the use of 'ignorant' holds no negative connotations.

btw. if this came off as cocky, it wasn't meant to be

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just wondering how a a simply question proposed by "BigChubuff" turned out into a superficial argument about how someone argues a point. All kangg fu wanted to do was answer "BigCHubuff's" question and maybe enlighten him. After all, all he wanted were answers to his questions. Maybe we should focus on helping the person that starts the thread rather than arguing about what somone's (kangg fu) way of helping out.

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Originally posted by requiem
Run. And fast. A mentality like that will not get you far as it is. Might as well start now.

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WERD

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Originally posted by .aS.|5p!7f!|23
as for crazydeb8ter, your gay shut the fuck up. just stop talking.

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1:30.3 600m - rank 5 in section 1. im covered.

as for crazydeb8ter, your gay shut the fuck up. just stop talking.

mer: correct

jason: correct

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In total, all I'm saying is don't be so closed minded. And also, be more creative when you attempt to insult someone, especially someone as intelligent as crazydeb8ter.

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without trying to use all the big vocab words to impress people, its not gonna help what you say anymore and if your gonna use pompous vocab try spelling it right

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lol...here we go again..straying away from the topic at hand.
what was it? i think it was:

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Originally posted by bigChubuff
i know it is a sin but how bad of a sin is it?
is it really that bad?

and where in the bible does it mention masturbation?

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