Is it getting worse and worse? Sure we are better educated then in the past, but gradually I believe that American culture is slowly becoming crap.

Watching TV all the time, where our values now lie (sex, drugs, etc.) Listen to the music, I'm an avid rock fan but sometimes I think older music, like in the colonial days is a bit more civilized.

A letter to a loved one from a civil war soldier was like:

Dearest Helena,
Yearning for your comforting breath and prescence is all that sustains me on this squalid battlefield...

A letter to a loved one from a gulf war soldier:

Dear Helen,
Damn them sand monkeys. It is hot. I wish I had some ice. Don't sleep with anyone else. I like guns.

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yes, the language that most people utilize nowadays is uncouth at best.

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see but the thing is, not all the Americans are like that. so you can't just conclude that all the Americans rely on sex, drugs..etc

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well, i think you can generalize american culture to fit those characteristics, because pointing out exceptions won't get us anywhere, cause on a whole, what i perceive of american culture is like that as well.

I would expect this to happen though, the longer we remain in "freedom", more than other countries rather, with all this tolerance for everything we're going to stop caring about values. Nietzsche predicted that in the 21st century, something would come call the "total eclipse of human values." That exists to a certain extent today. I don't think it will totally ever happen, cause he also said, i think, that in the 20th century everyone who is educated will become atheist and that just hasn't happened.

Anyway, so yeah, the total eclipse of human values is just that when humans realize that they are nothing more than machines, none of the divine treatment we consider ourselves in ("no we're not animals, we're humans, we're different"), once everyone realizes that nothing will matter and we just "operate." I think that's how it goes, someone correct me if i'm wrong. So yeah, humans used to be considered as such divinities i think, everything revolves around the earth, we're god's creation that is special from all other aniimals...now there really isn't a lot of the old fallacies that existed as they did in the past. Chivalry was knocked out as women began to fight for their own rights. What was once taboo is now accepted. Moving towards a freer culture i think just asks for the absence of values. If everything is accepted an neither right nor wrong, then who really cares? no one does, nothing matters, hence nihilism would occur of course in a sense to always be able to accept everything.

other cultures may not be as "bad" as america, simply because they have more governmental and traditional regulation. Simple as that. I don't think we're getting worse, i like it better this way.

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itz jus sik, how americans grow and liv.. gets worse as it goes on..

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North America to me is one of the worst countries. I can't stand the stupid shit that goes on here. All the high crime rates and those kids suing mcdonalds for being fat 'cause they sat around and ate mcdonalds. Then you have all these people helpin' out just because of 9/11 its all so fake. I mean, innocent people did die. Innocent people die every fucking day but when a group of them die together its like OMG we gotta help out get our act together when they see bums on the street lieing in their own shit. They hand them five dollars and go home, thinking I influenced someone's life. WOW. I could go out and give pennies out and feel good about myself. Money is not the solution. Then you got a fucking retarded leader. Bush. How the FUCK can you say N Korea is the access to all evil and then try to make peace with them. Then you got the other half of the nation saying BOMB back. When will they learn when you retaliate more lives will be taken. Why not ocunt your losses and try to make peace. America needs to get their heads out of their asses.

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North America to me is one of the worst countries. I can't stand the stupid shit that goes on here. All the high crime rates and those kids suing mcdonalds for being fat 'cause they sat around and ate mcdonalds.

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American culture is different. It places a larger gap between the stupid and the intelligent. And the news wouldn't make any money reporting about intelligent people, so we have more stupid news everyday making everyone think we're a stupid country.
The disparity between intellect and idiocy grows larger each day. The school system makes everyone into the average kid. The intellects look to know more. The stupid people don't even care. Few people stay average anymore, they pick a side and live with it. That is their choice. It doesn't make America stupid. It makes a LOT of America stupid, but there are still some smart people out there.

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American culture is indeed different and extremely violent. i believe i posted a quote or 2 from like nbc or watever sayin that the amount of people that die in american from guns or cars equal or are more then those in a year for Japan. and someone brought up the population and i made the ratios before so if u really want 2 go argue wit me go check my ratios before. ty in advance

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North America to me is one of the worst countries. I can't stand the stupid shit that goes on here.

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That was pretty harsh man.

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No, I wasn't. I'm just saying how can you let all of this shit fly in this country. DAMN MORE important things happen each day. Then you got all this 9/11 bullshit. Let's help America out even though we didn't before let's start now. No time like the present huh. It will all pass in a few years. Its sad how something so tradgic made so many stupid fucking people realize what they already should've known. To me, this is what makes America a bad place. And when I said NORTH America or AMERICA I meant the U.S. Sorry for the confusion. BUt oh well, its just my opinion, oh well.

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everyone knew what you meant by america, no need to clarify.

when you used the lawsuit as an instance, that's making it seem like an example of why america is bad for reasons of the sort, hence you are basing america on lawsuits and the like. You said so yourself: "how can you let all of this shit fly in this country." America is bad because we let "all this shit fly."

Now that we are on the same page, refer to my other post for refutations. Other countries are much worse off than we are...hey, at least we help.

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help how? i mean come on now, if i was to bomb some part in america and i said i was from korea. they'd be contemplating war with korea. why? why all this hate. why not count your loses and try to salvage whats left and not make it all in vein. my point is united states shouldn't worry about all this shit since its so great. people are abusing their rights, they got taken away. united states isn't as great as its initial image was.

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help how? i mean come on now, if i was to bomb some part in america and i said i was from korea. they'd be contemplating war with korea. why? why all this hate. why not count your loses and try to salvage whats left and not make it all in vein. my point is united states shouldn't worry about all this shit since its so great. people are abusing their rights, they got taken away. united states isn't as great as its initial image was.

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So now we're talking politics. If a person wearing an American flag ran through the streets of Seoul and set off a bomb which killed a few hundred people, do you think South Korea would not consider war?
This isn't about America. This is about humanity. The thirst for blood dammit. An eye for an eye is still not dead yet. Kill 3,000 Americans and we killed off who knows how many Afghanistanis. Do I support it? NO. But that's what happened. Too many innocents died for me to support that war. Don't lie and say you didn't want vengeance against the people who flew those planes. If you didn't, you have no idea how to comprehend the loss of others.

And all this "fad" patriotism...I agree. It sucks. 99.9% of people who donated money and whatnot don't even understand the principles of America. That's terrible in itself. Few people understand what America is anymore and what it means to live here.

We "let shit fly" because we have rights. That lawsuit you referred to is a good example. We're letting that fly. We cannot stop it. It's called the legal system. One day, someone else might say they're letting "shit fly" when you bring up a trial that seems out of the ordinary. It's true, in Korea most likely the McD's lawsuit would be shot down at square one. Good for them. But in America, the objective is to let the trial go on and have the just party win. Now the ignorance of American citizens is a completely different story...

And have you ever been anywhere BUT Korea and America? Do you know how TERRIBLE it is in some places of the world? I find it IMPOSSIBLE to even consider America to be one of the worst countries in the world.

North America is a continent by the way.

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help how? i mean come on now, if i was to bomb some part in america and i said i was from korea. they'd be contemplating war with korea. why? why all this hate. why not count your loses and try to salvage whats left and not make it all in vein. my point is united states shouldn't worry about all this shit since its so great. people are abusing their rights, they got taken away. united states isn't as great as its initial image was.

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So what, America has already been attacked. Why would you want MORE people to attack you. Saying, alright i'll defend my country will send tons of innocent lives to death. If they try to make peace and accomplish it, then not as many people get hurt in the process IF any. Even if they CAN'T make peace it'd still be better... I mean if you retaliate everytime someone does something to the USA you'd have MORE people that died in 9/11. What about crime on America by Americans? OK bombing, did they retaliate at his own country? No 'cause its their own.. They didn't say let's go to war with this guy and bomb this and bomb that. Yes, people ARE abusing their rights by using them. All you hear on the streets is I can say whatever I want freedom of speech this but all of a sudden you say something 'cause your mad and they take you to jail. Before you could walk down the street with a fucking gun and have no one care. I'd rather have a country choose for me so those rules are followed and if they aren't they are punished. Here, everyone goes their own way, its chaos. Only way you can go somewhere is together. I mean come on fucking think why N Korea is saying all of that shit when bush is saying they are the access to all evil then trying to make peace with them, how fucking stupid can you get. Its good that he is TRYING to make peace to TRY to save innocent lives. Its better than going there and blowing up the nuke and having something bigger and worse come back to America. What goes around, comes around. WHen I said that America is one of the worst countries, I meant that it is for being such a hypocrite of itself. It goes against everything it use to stand for.

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How does someone respond to a paragraph which includes a country bombing ITSELF? Are you nuts? Do you even reread what you write so you can realize the stupidity of what you've written?

I assume you're referring to Timothy McVeigh. We can't BOMB Timothy McVeigh. We killed him. He's dead. It's that simple if you live in America.

Do you have any grasp of foreign policy? There is no way ANY SANE leader in their right mind will ever use a nuke militarily. Don't even consider it.

What you're trying to say, I gather, is that it's hypocritical of America to use violence to avenge violent acts. Do you think anyone who mass murders civilians will respond to peaceful negotiations? If you do, go tell the people in Palestine and Israel, cause it's working very well over there. The last leader to SIGN a peaceful agreement was assassinated. Goes to show how well PEACE works in the real world. Idealism only goes so far.

What you have to understand is that idealism is dead in the world. Politicians are serving the population. They want votes. Votes come from people. People want VENGEANCE. The outcry from people even TODAY is still for war against a phantom (aka terrorism). Those ignorant people fuel the fire that will make our next war take place. Ignorance is the wood we throw on the fire that fuels the hypocrasy you cite. And this ignorance is everywhere. You live in America, America has recently suffered a traumatic attack. Politicians have cleverly used this to start a war. Even Democrats won't speak out against the war. They want their votes too. When people are stupid, our image decreases, and we've only been getting stupider.

But your logic is flawed anyway. I agree with you to a point, but that point is far from where you have ended up.

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So what, America has already been attacked. Why would you want MORE people to attack you. Saying, alright i'll defend my country will send tons of innocent lives to death. If they try to make peace and accomplish it, then not as many people get hurt in the process IF any. Even if they CAN'T make peace it'd still be better... I mean if you retaliate everytime someone does something to the USA you'd have MORE people that died in 9/11. What about crime on America by Americans? OK bombing, did they retaliate at his own country? No 'cause its their own.. They didn't say let's go to war with this guy and bomb this and bomb that. Yes, people ARE abusing their rights by using them. All you hear on the streets is I can say whatever I want freedom of speech this but all of a sudden you say something 'cause your mad and they take you to jail. Before you could walk down the street with a fucking gun and have no one care. I'd rather have a country choose for me so those rules are followed and if they aren't they are punished. Here, everyone goes their own way, its chaos. Only way you can go somewhere is together. I mean come on fucking think why N Korea is saying all of that shit when bush is saying they are the access to all evil then trying to make peace with them, how fucking stupid can you get. Its good that he is TRYING to make peace to TRY to save innocent lives. Its better than going there and blowing up the nuke and having something bigger and worse come back to America. What goes around, comes around. WHen I said that America is one of the worst countries, I meant that it is for being such a hypocrite of itself. It goes against everything it use to stand for.

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