the genius: comes up with the new idea
the bright: applies the idea into technology
the mass: uses the technology
the dim: has no clue whatsoever


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not true, a lot of inventions were made by accident.

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not true, a lot of inventions were made by accident.

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not true, a lot of inventions were made by accident.

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well. i came up with this because i believe that what denotes a genius from an intellegent person is the fact that geniuses are able to come up with original ideas; ideas that are never thought of before. however, to most of us, our way of thought is heavily influenced by society and only in very rare cases do we come up with an original idea never thought of by others before us. to put this into perspective, lets look at the womens right movement. prior to the 1800s, women did not grasp to concept of equality and hence did not question their place in society. however, once the idea of equality was introduced, people began to question and take action to fulfill this idea. ...this pattern of thought is present throughout history; people strived and worked to realize ideas, including the idea of flight, internet (networking), communication (telephony).

however, the originator of the idea (the genius) hardly recieve any credit, as he is usually much ahead of his time, and without the technological means to make the idea practical. instead, practicality of the idea is achieved by people who are not geniuses themselves, but have an open mind and eye (the bright), gaining wealth and fame at the same time. for instance, the idea of the possiblity of networking computers was present ever since the development of computers. even so, we do not know and cannot pin point the originator of this brilliant idea. instead, people like vincent cerf, who helped develop tcp/ip, the main protocol used by computers to communicate with each other, and tim berner-lee, who invented the world wide web (the hypertext part of the internet), are credited and praised.

...then comes the average person, who mindlessly uses the technology. and the dim, who, either do not have the mental capacity or the interest to appreciate the idea and technology.

eh. im doing a horrible job explaining.

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u have a weird definition of a genius. what u say is a genius i like to call more of a 'revolutionary.' people who come up with new ideas.

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i think this is hazy bcuz there are many ways to define "genius." there's "smart", but then do u mean smart like academically smart (someone hu gets really good grades in school) or clever (someone who may not do very well in school but is still clever).

i guess this has to do with learning capacity...but then pplz hu come up with ideas aren't necessarily always geniuses. actually, i think the genius and bright roles should be switched because a really smart person (a genius) wud recognize that they have an opportunity to do something with this bright idea

ehhh...did i make any sense? :huh:

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why do you try to think so complicated?

some inventions were thought up by i guess.....your dim category.... or what i would like to call them.... simpletons.... their way of thinking is SO simple that they come up with stuff the genious would never think of.... ya know practical stuff that are kind of "DUH" after you think about them... but you would have never thought of either way cuz it's just that simple.......

but i can agree with jusun on some of that stuff....

in our society there are the instigators... and the innovators.... and then... the general public... and then the simpletons...

... yea mine's basically the same as jusun's...


i just think the terms you used to describe each "category" is too... uhm... narrow? i dunno or maybe overlapping or i dunno haha .... i'm done

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geniuses can also be ones that come up with extremely clever/creative implementation of a mediocre idea that sprung from the mind of an idiot

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i'm a genius

ahm a int3lamagent genius cuz i invented tha game boi light
wen i waz like 7 i thot it wood b cool if ther waz a light 4 ur game boi den u cood plai ahl nite. den sum gi stole mah idea N iz ahl rich now. Damit dat cood hav been ME. instead i'm working in some burger king. :sad:

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ahm a int3lamagent genius cuz i invented tha game boi light
wen i waz like 7 i thot it wood b cool if ther waz a light 4 ur game boi den u cood plai ahl nite. den sum gi stole mah idea N iz ahl rich now. Damit dat cood hav been ME. instead i'm working in some burger king. :sad:

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yes i'm sure you're a genious... because you have such great grammer too.....keke jp~

but let me say... that because you didn't PUT that idea you had into a physical marketable product.... that's exactly what it is... an IDEA.. you didn't invent it.... because you didn't put that idea you had into action. you just thought of it and let the idea float away....lol

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eh.
im doing a bad job expressing myself. let me try again.

i define intellegence to be the ability to learn. some of you may not agree with me, but thats what i define it to be. furthermore, just because someone has an enormous or limitless potential of learning capacity does not mean that he/she is a genius. instead, i would simply call that person very intellegent.

thus, a genius does not have to be someone that is intellegent. rather, a genius can be the very opposite; simple, unable to adapt to society, forgetful, and any other number of these traits. yet, all geniuses have something in common, and that, to me, is the ability to think of new ideas.

neXt said something about geniuses having the ability to 'come up with extremely clever/creative implementations of a mediocre idea that sprung from the mind of an idiot'. i partly agree with this statement. a genius does have this ability, as an 'extremely clever/creative implementations of a mdeciocre idea' is, in essence, an idea itself. thus, when i say 'idea' i am refering to a general definition of conception and objectivity. the latter part of his statement, i must disagree, as new ideas are ALWAYS thought by geniuses (refer to my definition of a genius). for example, try to think of something that was never thought before. something that you dont have anything to relate to. is it possible? yes, it is, but the chances are very slim. and those who can, i would call geniuses.

ofcourse, what it all comes down to is what YOUR definition of a genius is. this is my definition. now lets hear your perspective of this matter, going back to 'assess the validity of this statement'.

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eh.
im doing a bad job expressing myself. let me try again.

i define intellegence to be the ability to learn. some of you may not agree with me, but thats what i define it to be. furthermore, just because someone has an enormous or limitless potential of learning capacity does not mean that he/she is a genius. instead, i would simply call that person very intellegent.

thus, a genius does not have to be someone that is intellegent. rather, a genius can be the very opposite; simple, unable to adapt to society, forgetful, and any other number of these traits. yet, all geniuses have something in common, and that, to me, is the ability to think of new ideas.

neXt said something about geniuses having the ability to 'come up with extremely clever/creative implementations of a mediocre idea that sprung from the mind of an idiot'. i partly agree with this statement. a genius does have this ability, as an 'extremely clever/creative implementations of a mdeciocre idea' is, in essence, an idea itself. thus, when i say 'idea' i am refering to a general definition of conception and objectivity. the latter part of his statement, i must disagree, as new ideas are ALWAYS thought by geniuses (refer to my definition of a genius). for example, try to think of something that was never thought before. something that you dont have anything to relate to. is it possible? yes, it is, but the chances are very slim. and those who can, i would call geniuses.

ofcourse, what it all comes down to is what YOUR definition of a genius is. this is my definition. now lets hear your perspective of this matter, going back to 'assess the validity of this statement'.

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dearest friend jusun,

as much as i would LOVE to read that whole thing with my 1027x whatever, monitor size, i am all too lazy and eyes are too blurry to read it.

MY definition of a GENIUS is someone who can come up with ideas quickly due to his GIANT capacity to interperet and process information.

Yes computers can do this too, but humans put much more imagination and creativity to it.


Genius:

Albert Einstein:
got information on his lil atoms and used that info to creat NUCLEAR ENERGY. (or sumthin like that.)

bla bla bla theory of relativity, create, bored.

Henry Ford:
Proccesses the need for quicker and better mode of transportation and creates the internal cumbusttion engine.

Whoever:
Recognized need for more space efficient and quicker computers and created the microchip.

Alexander Bell Grahm:
recognizes need for better communications and creates telephone.

Not Genius:

Me:
recieved information about the language of japanese but only recieved a 75 out of 90 when tested.


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A "genius" is rarely recognized, because they are so absent minded and concentrated on one thing, their appearance and social skills suffer, in most cases. It takes a "bright" person to understand the "genius", and translate it for the "smart" person. But usually takes a very long time, and is alot of times misinterpreted.

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'genius' to me is an original way of thinking. it's easy to think the way everyone else does.. or what the media tells you to think indirectly. which is probably why most genius' lack in the social area. being a genius is a gift. it's just.. a gift.

look at mozart. historians say that he was extremely immature.. but his music was and is brilliant.

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