I heard something about this at the end of the O'Reilly Factor, but didn't catch it all. Is that what happened? The Supreme court removed the phrase "under god" from the pledge? Hmm not sure.

If so, then all i have to say is that it's about time that phrase was removed from the pledge of allegiance. I was never offended by it, but it really shouldn't be there.

Whats everyone else think?

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well if we get rid of that from the pledge wat about "In God We Trust" on the coins and our money?
i think that is completely ridiculous, i grew up sayin that and so did the rest of the country. Under God, i dont get wats so bad about it? i mean people and politicians both say "God bless America" so wats goin on?

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this situation is technicalities at its worse

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well if we get rid of that from the pledge wat about "In God We Trust" on the coins and our money?
i think that is completely ridiculous, i grew up sayin that and so did the rest of the country. Under God, i dont get wats so bad about it? i mean people and politicians both say "God bless America" so wats goin on?

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wait wat does the pledge sound like now??
and u kno wat f*#$ them i was growin up sayin under god, and god bless america. im christian, u want to stop me then they will hav 2 staple my mouth shut. im still sayin under god! who's wit me!

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wait wat does the pledge sound like now??
and u kno wat f*#$ them i was growin up sayin under god, and god bless america. im christian, u want to stop me then they will hav 2 staple my mouth shut. im still sayin under god! who's wit me!

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ah, just heard from someone here at camp that it was about to be named unconstitutional but they have it stalled now for all judges (what? haha) or something to vote on it or some shiite like that.

So, it's pending.

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I heard something about this at the end of the O'Reilly Factor, but didn't catch it all. Is that what happened? The Supreme court removed the phrase "under god" from the pledge? Hmm not sure.

If so, then all i have to say is that it's about time that phrase was removed from the pledge of allegiance. I was never offended by it, but it really shouldn't be there.

Whats everyone else think?

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this shit is gay
what the hell is america cummin to

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our nation was created by protestants.. iss the foundation of America.. buh since it violates our rights- it really shouldn't be there because we have freedom of religion-

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our nation was created by protestants.. iss the foundation of America.. buh since it violates our rights- it really shouldn't be there because we have freedom of religion-

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i dont care about this

that shit is so elementary school

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nobody says the pledge anymore in my school, haha nobody cares about it.

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the country was founded on christian beliefs. if people dont like it, gguh jyuh. go move to canada or some shit.

saying one nation under god putting that guy's daughter under stress? please. i guess her stress would have nothing to do with the custody battle she's in the middle of between him and his ex wife. whatever.

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well as long as they don't demand to change the money, im coo

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my uncle sent me this a while back:


Good one by Dennis Miller:

He said recently on his show, regarding the judges who declared the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional:

"So, Your Honor, the Pledge is unconstitutional because it says 'Under God'. Guess that means when you were sworn in with your hand on a Bible, and at the end of your oath repeated, ''So Help Me God' that makes your job unconstitutional. Therefore you have no job, which means your ruling doesn't mean anything!"

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quote from nas:

the chinese built the railroads
the indian save the pilgrim
in return the pilgrim killed him
they call it thanksgiving
i call your holiday hell day.


country may be founded by pilgrims with christian-protestant beliefs, but you forget they weren't the only ones. the spanish and french both believed in catholicism. the native americans who the first there believed in their own rituals and beliefs. this country established no true religion, when it came to be. the only reason why it says 'in god we trust' is because most of the soldiers who fought in the revolutionary war were christian believers during that time. they trusted god even before they wrote the declaration of independence. they also knew that religion would screw over the government like the spanish inquisitions and the heresy trials. after the revolution was all over, many people from various nations that had different ethics and religions had come to a nation that stands for freedom (not pure freedom though). you want an example? look at the civil war - african slaves brought from both/either the carribean or ivory coast were signifying their religion of voodoo-ism. they even worshipped their god while in captivity (slavery). it doesn't matter who founded this country first or what religion this country is based upon. the word god signifies diety, who people worship. there is no distinct, exact god in which they were talking about (now these days they don't; but most probably when they meant god as in a christian god.)

as for the 'in god we trust', most probable reason why they got the court cases going on about that is because it's on money (u.s. treasury) and the pledge (the solemn oath) which are both part of the state. in which there shall be not relationship between state and church what-so-ever.

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african slaves brought from both/either the carribean or ivory coast were signifying their religion of voodoo-ism. they even worshipped their god while in captivity (slavery).

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no, as improbable it may be and as ridiculous many anti-slaveryites have tried to make it seem, slaves had sunday off. Read any AP US history text.

However i am sure there are exceptions to this rule. Perhaps with an atheist slave owner which was a rare case in the Southern US during the 1800s

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yeah, they were allowed to practice chrisitian worship services under close supervision, but not services of their own religion.

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