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I would say something like this should go on a case by case situation. There have been about the same people on these forums for quite some time, by now most of us know what we should and should not say to other people if we are going to look out for the better interest of not creating turmoil. But if anyone does not care about creating turmoil, then ignore that.
I hold my tongue to people all the time, in real life i mean...not online. I am sure many people do that on these forums. I am just speculating, but it seems as if a lot of people do not extend that to online talking, especially since we all do not personally know each other. I do not like the idea of never having comments like "who cares" on a forum. I appreciate the negative comments and the ones that disagree most often because it gives us something more to talk about...but if you know it is going to get under a particular person's skin, then i would say it would be wise not to say it.
I do not like the idea of "if you have nothing to say, then do not say anythign at all" as kenvsryu and ginadaqueen talked about. I think it is akin to a time-out for little kids. And, i do not think this forum should be treated as such. I would like to simply ask everyone to calm down, but i guess that will not happen. So, i would just say do it case by case. If you know someone is going to be upset about something, do not say it if you do not want turmoil (if you do want turmoil then this is irrelevent). If you nkow the person would not mind, then go ahead. The same rules that i would think people follow in real life. Also, people can apologize for things they have said on here you know. I cannot remember the last time i have seen an apology on here. I admit i have made my fair share of mistakes in that same respect, but it does not mean i cannot learn from it and preach it.
On the post count issue ginadaqueen brought up...i thought we all solved that a long time ago, and realized, or maybe just i did, that it does not really matter in the end and no one really does care. We are not a community of prepubescent teeny boppers who want to fit in for the most part. Most do not care to be cool, or whatever by reaching their post count dreams.
Furthermore, i am tired of people getting upset about people who bash people who use, on average, a higher rhetoric in their posts. Not just a higher rhetoric i suppose it is not just...but it seems to come down to several factors that make people think this way...word choice, length of posts, style of responding to other posts...people get upset about it. I especially say the use of a higher rhetoric because people always seem to get offended by it, and feel the urge to tell someone to "stop trying to impress" whomever they decide it to be. Susan, i think you say more for victor than he does or meant to. Look at the words you used,...i am sure you have realized this all ready though, but you said he "seems" to give off that air. This is online, how are you going to succesfully demark a tone or attitude of a person online? And, you could say - if you wanted i suppose - with victor it is obvious, or that it is easier to figure out his attitude/tone, but then i would say that even if he were to seem like that sometimes...that attitude does not emmanate in every single one of his posts (from reception "hello[s]" to the debate forum arguments). I think overall...you construct a character for victor, and carry that persona of victor to every one of his posts. And, even if your depiction of him is true, i do not understand why you have a problem with it. People are people.
What is really wrong with thinking someone is always right? Can someone please answer this, i think if you do not have a reason, you shoudl not be mad, and if you do not have a reason, it is probably jealousy that would be the underlying reason. Why does it matter if people think they are better than others, why does it matter if peopel think they are right, why does it matter if people debated in high school? What about his attitude of "KILL[ing] YOU with [his] mad debating skills" is so offensive? Why can no one be proud of the person they have become...are we all going to go around frowning at all traces of lack of modesty? Do we need to lie about how good one may be, or how sweet they have grown to become in regards to whatever?...just so people do not get upset? I mean i understand if he was treating people as if they are inferior or something to that effect, but he just responds bluntly and to the point, people infer the rest and get pissed. And, i would like to finalize this section by saying victor probably does not think he is better than everyone else. I know people are thinking that because people have told me that before, and i did not like the accusation.
Maybe some advice that would help out here is that everyone...just because you do somethign does not mean anyone, or everyone, else will. As Ginadaqueen says: "I wouldn't have said anything if you disagreed with what the original poster posted." I mean...ok, good job, and good for you. But, are you going to punish people who do not abide to your line of thinking? People have different ethical values, different morals, different definitions of what is rude, what is appropriate to say to someone, etc. Can we not accept other's differences? I mean, if they had the exact same ettiquette code you had and they broke it or something, then i guess you could have reason to be upset, but you guys are on different fields. Of course, "[he] did not even do that" (not say anythign that is when he disagreed with the initial poster's idea), why would he? He is not you.
Yeah, and even though Seon Ho (Krnxswat) was the one to say it...no matter how hypocritical it is coming from his mouth, i do not think that should take away the validity of what he said. I do not agree with him in this instance, but i was just making a point to say that, hypocritical or not,...advice is advice.
-edit- heh, you are too kind victor. I honestly prefer your wording, and the blood-thirsty intellectual comment is something i am glad you brought up...i have never been a fan of that accusation.
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Last edited by PsychoSnowman on 01-01-2004 at 09:24 PM
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12-31-2003 08:50 PM
can we all drop this
where is the love
