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I'M NOT POSTING ON THIS THREAD ANYMORE...I'll try not to stir up any more arguments, i'll just respond. I'll drop the issue, due to your request and the fact that i was about to anyway (there was no progression). I guess i'm too used to Cross-X.com, where people outline every point and respond, Seung Ju. Also, so many people responded to my comment, that this post will be LONG also. READ IF YOU WANT. It's seperated to respond to different people.
Mariposa - since your post, i have recently read the poem. And though my friend uses humor, it seems as though she is able to approach the subject in a better way and more of good seriousness by utilizing it in my opinion. I understand you don't agree with my arguments. And though you find it ironic me apologizing and then pursuing to respond to his arguments (why cannot the two be done at the same time, i did not mean harm, therefore i apologized; simple as that), i find it ironic that you wish to cease the discussion but continue with calling me these titles and even attempt to progress the issue ( calling me a "mountain of knowledge", proof in the bible of homosexuality). Just because my posts were long does not make me a mountain of knowledge. I'm not putting on any fascade, you are the one imposing that name on my posts. It was meant in a negative sense as i see in your post, and that doesn't do anything to end this thread (though i will end it of course). I could easily say you and seung ju are imposing your "mountain of knowledge" on me easily, but i'm not (and it's not because you aren't worthy of hte title.) It's out of respect for you ideals. You also go on to reduce me to "another random person on the forum" as if i have claimed the title of mountain of knowledge. It is all you. I don't reduce you to such names out of respect, but you don't really show any towards the opposing side. You'd like to thank me to stop putting on a fascade of a mountain of knowledge? I'm not, and I'd like to thank you to stop disregarding my point of view and imposing such monikers upon me. And another thing, it's not MY little argument. Seung Ju brought it of issue if you wanna assign blame. You could easily say it was my fault for saying it, but then Foucault Normality Philosophy would say that you shouldn't assume it was me just because i was out of the norm of discourse. So who's little argument is it? kind of subjective.
I find it distasteful that you say my friend is hiding with humor. Though it coincides with that poem, i feel she is very different from it. So you have to cry during the night, have suicide attempts, and such to "deal" or "cope" with it? I don't agree. In ways, i think she deals with it more real and efficiently than i've seen in other instances (yours being on of them). Crying won't do anything, suicide is horrible, and i'm sorry for what you went through but don't you agree how painful it was? Why suffer when you do not need to? Humor doesn't equal running. And humor can be a way to cope with BOTH aspects, shame, pain, etc. more easily. See what i'm getting at? However, of course we are entitled to opinions.
One last thing, i don't want to start another big chain reactions of responses or anything, but could you possibly tell me where it says that in the bible? As you can tell i am into this sort of thing, and i have never seen this reference before (however obvious it may be). It has sparked my interest.
Seung Ju - i feel you misunderstood me, however it does not matter. Again, though it may be an excuse, i'm used to Cross-x.com where everyone responds to every single aspect and point of the arguments in each post; and not all this dodging and such. If you don't want to respond to my arguments, then so be it. I expected a kind of mutual opposing side respect, but that seems only one-sided here. Lastly, the only reason i repeat myself is because you don't respond to it. And you never acknowledge as fully the arguments that i give as i do to yours. And it may have seemed that i turned around your arguments, but you misinterpreted and i cleared things up and rebutted. It wasn't JUST luck that made her cope with it. She coped with it HER way and it helped, ok? You are imposing a whole lot false things on me, like telling moms that it's ok with humor and cheer up or something. I don't know where that came from but though it helped your side of the issue. It was all false and imposed though, all i'm doing is posting on a forum and i joke about it in conversations and stuff (when appropriate, i know you think it's never appropriate). I don't have a big mission. And you misunderstood my side of the story i think. Finally, about my ego, I might have come across that way but i pride myself in having a minimal ego, and it wouldn't have been inflated. But whatever, if you responded to my side instead of your side then it may have not seemed like i had such a big "ego." It's easy to say terrorism and rape are completely different things, my point did have reason in it though. Again whatever, thats all.
Jun - You are wrong on your assumption. If something bad happened to me, i would want people to laugh at it. If it could help them feel better for even a little while, i would love that. Helping anyone feel better for even a little bit of time with no price to pay (except those in the past that were uncontrollable) is a great thing to do. It might even make me feel better to laugh at it once in awhile. Though i realize not a lot of people have this mentality by examining the thread. Also, i don't think rape is meaningless.
CrazyDeb8ter - Thanks for understanding my side. I agree with your entire post.
BigChubuff - I don't have a grudge against you. Though i imagine people do against me now  . It's all about respecting people's opinions and not letting emotions getting in the way. They may have happened for a duration of time with me, but they won't anymore. No, because i know people are going to accuse me of this...you don't have to think this way, ok?
All in all, i understand people got offended by my comment, and i actually pondered if i should actually write that in my original post, but i went with it mostly due to my mentality towards the issue. I understand a LOT of people don't feel the same, and in the future i'll just stick my comments like that in Cross-x.com (where intelligent discourse supercedes emotions speaking for people instead of rationale) hah, or just not say them to the general public.
Last edited by PsychoSnowman on 04-06-2002 at 01:15 PM
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04-06-2002 11:09 AM
yea...i think that itz a good idea if everyone calms down and stuff... i wish i read all of the posts but they were WAY too long and i wuz getting dizzy from all of the letters... no, actually i just kinda got sick of it after that whole "bible" thing... and then this topic turned into rape or terrorism or SOMETHING.... yea... um... could someone just sum up what everyone said in it fast simple lil post?? NOT an essay!~
<~ credits to huby.. thanx so much! ^^
