my apologizes. i never got around replying, though i did talk to requiem in person to point out his misinterpretations of the link provided above. but for the forums sake, i will state it here.
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That is not knowledge, that is biased words from a site that seeks to arm people against atheists like myself.
if youre going to look at it poststructurally, let me ask you, what constitutes knowledge? your assertion that it is not [knowledge] is as biased as for me to say that it is. everyones definition of knowledge is different, as youve pointed out inadvertently in your reply. so of whose standard will you base your definition by? websters, wont you? i find it amusing that you readily and unquestioningly put your belief and faith in one thing (websters in this case) but fail to do the same for another of the same.
quote: Originally posted by requiem
For example: "Study the circuitry of a computer or a bolt and nut whose threads matched perfectly. Do you believe that these objects were formed by chance? Why not? Who designed the living cell, a bee’s eye or the human brain with far greater complexity and synchronization? God did."
The circuitry of a computer was made by man. Nuts and bolts too. I THINK what this statement (or set of statements, as it were) is trying to say is that those things which were created by man are owed to God because he is the reason our brains are as they are today. How is this knowledge? This is OPINION. You claim this site is not made to argue against Darwinism, and yet this statement borders on just that. "Who" designed the living cell? Who implies a person, and the last sentence says "God". Now, if something tells us that God created the cell, eye or brain, some might consider that creationism. Creationism is Darwinism's largest opponent.
i pointed this out to you privately but youve got it all wrong buddy. the article attempts to put everything into perspective, so that people can relate to and see how unreasonable it is to believe that everything happened by chance. when you "study the circuitry of a computer" and when you "view a beautiful painting" you dont assume that they appeared by chance. *wah-bam! look, the painting! wah-plus-millions-of-years-bam! and now the computer!* no, it would go against your very common sense to beleive it so and infact, youll assume the very opposite, assume so confidently youll know that these things were created by someone. you would know without question, even without having seen any proofs, its creator, or the process of its creation. how then can you tell me with a straight face that there isnt a Creator of this universe, which is undoubtfully a whole lot more complex than a simple painting or computer? a simple test of logic and reasoning, is what the article is offering.
quote: Originally posted by requiem
Once again:
"Study primitive to advanced cultures from every tribe, nation or language on earth. Do you find any group of people with no religious beliefs and practices? Why not? Who placed these innate spiritual needs and desires in all people? God did."
This link poses questions and then answers them itself with a "no". Perhaps they might even consider themselves to be wrong? Maybe.
and perhaps you might do the same? had you given the article more thought and time, you would have realized what it was conveying. its as if you were determined to find faults from the beginning, hence your totally wrong conception.
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Listen, I'm not here to bash anyone who believes in God. People do what they will and that's alright and certainly one of the greatest gifts man possesses. However, I will not have someone tell me something is in the "pursuit of knowledge" when it is factless and opinionated. Show me one fact in that entire page.
youre being unreasonable here. what you consider your "facts" are factless and opinionated to me as well, as i am a creationist and you an atheist. in these types of discussions, it is important to understand, agree, and respect that there are fundamental differences in ideas between the two, and an argument about the very basis of "facts" would go no where. keep in mind that if your "facts" made as much sense to me for me to even consider them as "facts", i would be an atheist. and likewise for you.
quote: Originally posted by requiem
Also, if you should get around to it, explain to me how this site claims "God may exist through evolution."
its a very common misconception atheists have that creationists cannot believe in evolution. thats incorrect. some do, and believe that a Creator started the process, infused the first life, and guided the process of evolution.
quote: Originally posted by requiem
"Do you find any error in its spiritual, practical, historical, scientific or prophetical truths, or any lack in its ability to speak truth to all cultures, ages and types of people? Why not?"
Notice the implied answer of "no". Anyone who answers "no" to that statement, especially the "scientific" aspect of it clearly accepts God already. The claims on this page are only "logical" if your mind is already bent towards believing in God in the first place.
its not, unless youre going to tell me that when you see a painting, questions about its origin and its process and duration of evolution crosses your mind before you wonder about the painters name.
quote: Originally posted by requiem
I am eager to see your (or anyone's) reply.
likewise.
quote: Originally posted by requiem
By the way, next time you call something I write "jibberish" (or gibberish, as Webster would write), please consider what gibberish means. If you don't agree, just say so. Don't call my words unintelligible. I know you are capable of reading.
and maybe if you would not so arrogantly assume things. quoting: "I'm surprised people who believe in God require websites that have to remind them." thats rediculous, you wouldnt read to remind you of your "faith". likewise for us. we dont beleive in God because we are mentally inferior, as you imply. i think its important that you understand that.
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Edit: And to think, I tried to restrain myself from saying anything atheistic in this forum. "The best laid plans of mice and men..." it seems...
no go ahead. its a free forum.
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