Re: it started
last post for me (hopefully)...oh, and pardon me Dekkai...I'm going to pick at your arguements a little. please do not be too offended:
why do people call war to an unilateral attack?? that's plain killing
-What grounds do you base this statement on? our target is Saddam, his sons, and possibly some top government officials that have kept Iraq's murderous regime in power. We're not lining innocent civillans up and knocking them down. Besides, the only person that has done any real (inhumane) killing/torture in Iraq is Hussein.
so, g.w. butcher
-I don't understand your rationale for name calling. It retards your arguement and makes me less inclined to consider what you are trying to say. I could say that Hussein is a "mass murdering F***head" but it wouldn't necessarily make me right.
is already trowing bombs towards inocent iraq people who had done NOTHING to deserve it
-I think Saddam earned it. He harbours terrorists, continues to manufacture illegal weapons, hold his own people hostage, and also use the threat of burning oil as a bargaining chip with other nations. The waste made by burning oil is toxic, besides the extinguishing of oil fires being very dangerous.
(just like lots of people that died on 11/9/01), maybe for money?? why dwas everything planned like this??
-Money may be a factor in our reasons for going to war, but the main thing is the volitale relationship between Hussein and world politics. His continuing defiance of the UN for over twelve years, and the ever continuing genocide of his people has compelled a coalition of over thirty-five countries to act.
first, two airplanes crash towards the twin towers, then afghanistan gets blamed, then the taliban government is exterminated, afghanistan fall into the hands of the capitalism they couldn't know before
-We blamed Osama Bin Laden who was also tied to the first trade tower bombing in the early nineties. Then we tied him to the Taliban who protected him. Then we went in and rectified the taliban, removing an oppressive regime that held daily executions in their football(soccer) stadium as well as hangings from street poles and the like. Capitalism is not a bad thing. It is a means for aquiring wealth independantly. Also, I'd like to point out that Afghanistan is one of the thirty-five plus members in the coalition against the regime of Iraq. I don't believe that they'd support us if they didn't like us.
the country which "losses" a war has to pay its economical loss, so, afghanistan is going to be pushed to the same ruin the already had, or maybe worse, and I know what ruin means because I live down here at Mexico, I know what is to have an foreigner debt or whatever it's called like
-We are still in Afghanistan helping it to rebuild. And, yes, it is only fair that some of the cost of rebuilding their own country comes out of their own pockets. They don't have to repay now. Once they are on good financial/economic footing, and have the means, they can do whatever.
so, if they trow bombs towards iraq, if they kill everyone, if they "win the war in the name of democracy and world safety (?)" iraq has to pay the loss of the war, with petroleum maybe, the same petroleum the export to Europe
-We're not going to "kill everyone." President Bush is admant about protecting civillian life. However, it is a fact of war that people will die. I think, though, that less people will die in this engagement now than would die if Saddam stays in power and has continued opportunities to commit atrocities against his own people. Yes, it is highly possible that Iraq will repay its war/rebuilding debt in petroleum, but that is also their own right. It is their most abundant and valueable natural resource. It is up to them to do with it what they please.
by the way, all countrys in europe now use the EURO and its rates are bigger than the american dollar, if the US keeps iraq's petroleum, who's going to be the richest country of the world again??
-I don't understand your question. And, yes, it's a common known fact that most countries in Europe now use the euro currency. Good for them.
The US has already made clear that it will not seize Iraq's oil. It would be a grevious foreign policy faux pas if the US were to turn on its word. However, if the Iraqi people sell their oil to us, that is a completely different matter all together.
the united states are going to get out of their recession
-fantastic
maybe Spain and the UK will get some petroleum barrels for free?? iono, this is just what I think
-If they do, that's the Iraqi people's perrogative.
I'm not against the war, because actually there's no war: it's not a war if one of the sides cannot defend, it's just plain massacre
-It is a war. The Iraqi government is hell bent on defending itself to the bitter end. The Iraqi people will not be massacred. The US is not that stupid, and is also actually interested in preserving the people. That has been our main objective for some time now.
you wouldn't be in anything like a fight if your hands were tied down, right??
-If it were a life or death situation, I'd fight. If it were a situation in which I may sustain harm, I would fight. If I were bound against my will, I would fight.
how does butcher know there are massive destruction weapons there at iraq?? did his daddy sell them?? what happened?? who should I believe??
-Bush knows that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq due to US and foreign intelligence. There is documentation showing that they do exist. The Iraqi government has failed to produce any documentation of their destruction (al-samouds do not count. there is no telling how much he was destroying/planning to destroy in comparison to his cache. and there is no telling how many he was producing at the time of the public destruction)
His dad did not sell the weapons to Iraq. France, Germany, and Russia did. France sold Iraq jet parts, a means for acquiring nuclear power, and other miscellany illegal goods even after the passing of resolution 1441.
weapons that Iraq has/has yet to account for (small list):
mustard gas
vx nerve gas
various other chemical agents
al samoud missiles
cluster munitions (capable of spreading chemical/biological agents)
drones (capable of spreading chemical/biological agents)
Believe who you choose to. But, be sure that you are informed.
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