quote: Originally posted by Ladi Jay
we all, who have never had those depressed feelings can sit here and say that we think it's selfish, buh if it happens to us... we see the reality of depression and knowing that nothing else can help us... I say that we shouldn't even say things like that until we know the reality... until we experience what there is behind the feelings of loss, depression...
This is besides the point. It doesn't matter if it doesn't feel selfish to the person commiting suicide, suicide is effectually selfish in a way. You take your life, but you hurt those around you, how is that possibly not selfish? You hurt others just becuase "you" couldn't take it. If it's not selfish, give me another word to describe it. Ok, i've been taking some class called theory of knowledge just to let you know where i'm coming from, and i really am starting to realize how much feelings hinder reason. Do you think more clearly in a relaxed setting? of course, everybody does. You'll come ot better answers, and make better decisions. Now why would you possibly suggest that we undergo these feelings in order to better realize why it's not selfish? that's not helping us make it less selfish, it's helping us realize what it's like for the individual. That doesn't affect it AT ALL. Ok, so now we know what it's like (after feeling this depression), still doesn't change a thing. it's still selfish cause you don't just affect yourself. Moreso, a man sometime i forgot who or what he was decided he could not commit suicide (was on the verge of it) because he didn't own his body. He belonged to whatever he was made of, the universe of whatever. I mean, there's another reason why it's selfish. Even if you don't believe that, it's undeniable that it affects other people. Just to end your suffering you are going to make others suffer cause you want it to. That is the epitome of selfishness. I don't see your logic.
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being in a world like ours today is full of things that will never be solved... some feel the pressure of the world and just want to be set free... there are so many reasons why people do what they do...
ok, different reasons don't make the RESULT different. The result is that you are selfish by doing it.
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this is all I have to say for now... my point is that suicidals (dunno if that's a word) are not being selfish...
I think they are. I don't see how you say they are not.
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