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Posted by Ladi Jay on 03-25-2003 02:09 AM:

beauty of a girl...

this is for the guys but I thought it'd be nice for everyone to hear so I'm posting it here in the open...

I was watching a foreign movie and I read a line that a man said that was really... touching, I guess you could say...

he said:

"Shyness is the beauty of a girl."

What he meant by that is the beauty of a girl is their shyness, quietness, introvert personality. Along with not being so flamboyant, loud, or showy. He also meant that the beauty of a girl is staying pure and away from alcohol and drugs...

Do you agree or do you disagree? Elaborate a little... it'd be interesting to find out what some of you think.

Girls, I'd also like to hear what you think about his line... also, flip it around and answer if you think the "shyness is the beauty of a guy."

Posted by rhymester* on 03-25-2003 02:13 AM:

i'm not shy, therefore i'm not beautiful? hmm i must say i dont agree

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Posted by lostadonis on 03-25-2003 03:35 AM:

Shyness is definitely a beautiful aspect about a girl.

But I guess I see shyness as more of having minor insecurities. Perhaps even being secretive.

It's kind of old fashion, but it's that frailty that makes a woman a woman, and makes a man feel more like a man because he's there to "protect her."

Gosh, this is a hard one. I can't explain my thoughts. Does any of what I said make sense?

**That comment up there might sound a little sexist, but I mean it in the best possible way. heh...

Well, I can say that I think every girl in the world has a shyness to her, no matter how outgoing she may be...am I absolutely wrong?

Posted by MasWusHot on 03-25-2003 11:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by lostadonis
Shyness is definitely a beautiful aspect about a girl.

But I guess I see shyness as more of having minor insecurities. Perhaps even being secretive.

It's kind of old fashion, but it's that frailty that makes a woman a woman, and makes a man feel more like a man because he's there to "protect her."

Gosh, this is a hard one. I can't explain my thoughts. Does any of what I said make sense?

**That comment up there might sound a little sexist, but I mean it in the best possible way. heh...

Well, I can say that I think every girl in the world has a shyness to her, no matter how outgoing she may be...am I absolutely wrong?

i kno what ur saying .. im a girl and something i look for in a guy is him being like protective or just being bigger than me or whatever haha and i like to be more shy like .. even tho im definitly not shy all the time .. i am around the guys i like .. i dunno why lol hmm im confusing myself lol

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Posted by PsychoSnowman on 03-26-2003 03:29 AM:

Re: beauty of a girl...

quote:
Originally posted by Ladi Jay

What he meant by that is the beauty of a girl is their shyness, quietness, introvert personality. Along with not being so flamboyant, loud, or showy. He also meant that the beauty of a girl is staying pure and away from alcohol and drugs...

he didn't necessarily mean that...

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Posted by eddiee on 03-26-2003 03:40 AM:

ok now....

what guy would wanna love a HO

huh common

everybody likes shy innocent girls

ppl only wanna use ho's

i make no sence

so sue me.....blame marv

Posted by Ladi Jay on 03-26-2003 06:03 PM:

Re: Re: beauty of a girl...

quote:
Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
he didn't necessarily mean that...

oh yes he did... he was talking to a girl who had all those 'unshyness' personality traits... It was a hindi movie actually... called, "Ab ab-something" I forget...

Posted by PsychoSnowman on 03-26-2003 09:44 PM:

Re: Re: Re: beauty of a girl...

quote:
Originally posted by Ladi Jay
oh yes he did... he was talking to a girl who had all those 'unshyness' personality traits... It was a hindi movie actually... called, "Ab ab-something" I forget...

no, i meant he didn't JUST mean what you said. You give us a quote, and then you proceed to tell us what it means, and i thought that was a rather rude gesture on your part. I mean, i don't need an explanation of what it means...i don't want it, not becuase i would know what it "means" all ready, but because i don't want just someone to tell me what it means when you were not the person who wrote that. Let us all uniformly decide what a quotation means by being given just that, the quotation. We don't need to have to try and deviate from your opinion in the initial post to realize what it means, because honestly most people will not ever give it a second thought. Your saying the author meant that. You said something like "what he means by this is..." when it's all just waht you think he said, it always is, it's not what "he means," you know that, you'll never know nor will anyone else. By limiting what the author means by wahtever you think it is is oppression of the author. There are multiple meanings to everything said, and you know for sure he didn't have to have meant that, so i don't see why you are justifying your first post in a second post when you can't possible be right when there is no answer.

Posted by aznkid1008 on 03-26-2003 10:06 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by LiLbLuEaZnBoY
ok now....

what guy would wanna love a HO

huh common

everybody likes shy innocent girls

ppl only wanna use ho's

i make no sence

so sue me.....blame marv

yea and then there r those girls who look so innocent and cute but r actually hornier then most ho's

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Posted by Ladi Jay on 03-27-2003 01:28 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: beauty of a girl...

quote:
Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
no, i meant he didn't JUST mean what you said. You give us a quote, and then you proceed to tell us what it means, and i thought that was a rather rude gesture on your part. I mean, i don't need an explanation of what it means...i don't want it, not becuase i would know what it "means" all ready, but because i don't want just someone to tell me what it means when you were not the person who wrote that. Let us all uniformly decide what a quotation means by being given just that, the quotation. We don't need to have to try and deviate from your opinion in the initial post to realize what it means, because honestly most people will not ever give it a second thought. Your saying the author meant that. You said something like "what he means by this is..." when it's all just waht you think he said, it always is, it's not what "he means," you know that, you'll never know nor will anyone else. By limiting what the author means by wahtever you think it is is oppression of the author. There are multiple meanings to everything said, and you know for sure he didn't have to have meant that, so i don't see why you are justifying your first post in a second post when you can't possible be right when there is no answer.

I'm sorry then... but he just elaborated some more and said basically what I said... but I guess I was implementing what I thought too... sorry

Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 03-27-2003 03:29 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: beauty of a girl...

quote:
Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
no, i meant he didn't JUST mean what you said. You give us a quote, and then you proceed to tell us what it means,...
....there are multiple meanings to everything said, and you know for sure he didn't have to have meant that, so i don't see why you are justifying your first post in a second post when you can't possible be right when there is no answer.

lol i could hear the 'smack' all the way over here, in california.

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Posted by kiggaplease on 03-27-2003 08:18 AM:

all I see is a bunch of people getting flaming pissed over something trivial. calm down, people.

Posted by krnxswat on 03-27-2003 01:09 PM:

I like shy girls.

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Posted by PsychoSnowman on 03-27-2003 05:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by bckp
all I see is a bunch of people getting flaming pissed over something trivial. calm down, people.

all i see is someone who interprets long replies as being "flaming pissed." Read my signature, read my other posts they are always that long. If a long post=aggravation...then that would mean i'm....angry all the time, when i'm not. Even if the tone of my post came off slightly bad, i don't think that would mean i am "flaming pissed." I was calmly explaining it to her, and i used capitals to emphasize words. Do i need a disclaimer everytime i post?

it's really not trivial if you could somehow realize the entire scope of this, but i'm not surprised you couldn't. no one is mad.

Posted by PsychoSnowman on 03-27-2003 06:09 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: beauty of a girl...

quote:
Originally posted by Ladi Jay
I'm sorry then... but he just elaborated some more and said basically what I said... but I guess I was implementing what I thought too... sorry

no problem

Posted by kiggaplease on 03-27-2003 10:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
all i see is someone who interprets long replies as being "flaming pissed." Read my signature, read my other posts they are always that long. If a long post=aggravation...then that would mean i'm....angry all the time, when i'm not. Even if the tone of my post came off slightly bad, i don't think that would mean i am "flaming pissed." I was calmly explaining it to her, and i used capitals to emphasize words. Do i need a disclaimer everytime i post?

it's really not trivial if you could somehow realize the entire scope of this, but i'm not surprised you couldn't. no one is mad.

Woah, woah, woah, I never said that PsychoSnowman was getting flaming pissed. I wrote to say that I don't want to see people get into a fight about who's 'smack'ing down the other person. When I write 'a bunch of people', I exaggerate to make a point, not to include every person that posted previously. Furthermore, I responded to Crazydeb8ter's statement, "lol i could hear the 'smack' all the way over here, in california," not yours. With that being said...

PsychoSnowman, you don't need a disclaimer to make long posts. Neither do you need to make a disclaimer on your use of caps. For that matter, I have signatures disabled, and there isn't much use for me to re-enable them.

While I'm responding, I'll take the liberty to disagree with what you said about there being no answer to the enigma of an author's original intent. If there were no answer, then what did the author intend to impart upon the audience in the first place?

Next, I realize that you are firmly against placing words in one's mouth, as you accuse Ladi Jay of doing. I usually don't read theses that read, for example: "Walt Whitman may have signified the central role of sensuality as a bridge between the faculties of the human, as I perceive it." One simply makes a statement and proceeds to justify it. A great deal of scholarly writing is written on the premise that we interpret an author's work and justify our interpretation based on evidence. I'm not agreeing with Ladi Jay on what the movie director meant, but I certainly don't see directors placing specific quotations into movies so that no one can ever decide on how to interpret it. However, I agree that we should agree upon the interpretation of something before making statements based on different assumptions, as you mentioned "Let us all uniformly decide what a quotation means by being given just that, the quotation." Surely we should not be saying there is one specific way to interpret what he says, but simply refusing to agree on the basis for a discussion on the grounds that interpretations lead to no good is fruitless.

In any case, the quote that Ladi Jay cited is a stepping stone to the main focus of the discussion: Is the 'beauty' of a girl in her shyness, quietness, and introvert personality, as well as purity? Without a doubt, there is a notion in different societies that females must embody these characteristics/stereotypes to be accepted as 'beautiful.' Therefore, let us discuss whether this notion is true for ourselves and our societies or not.

Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 03-28-2003 12:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by bckp
Furthermore, I responded to Crazydeb8ter's statement, "lol i could hear the 'smack' all the way over here, in california," not yours. With that being said...

I will start off with a query to you, asking if you've heard of a form of expression called "jest."
My post itself was not a flame nor was it going to instigate an argument on whether someone really smacked down another person- it is impossible to make the leap and 'forsee' that such a discussion would be inevitable. However, I do see how one would make the conclusion that I was characterizing the discussion as a flame war. But, in that case, it is interesting that you would still reply as such, seeing as you already recognized that Psychosnowman was neither attempting to insult anyone nor pissed off.

Posted by kiggaplease on 03-28-2003 12:59 AM:

btw, I disagree with the attributes in the thread start that supposedly define the beauty of a girl, simply because such preconceived notions are stereotypical and in no way fits a universal identity of beauty

Posted by PsychoSnowman on 03-29-2003 06:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by bckp
While I'm responding, I'll take the liberty to disagree with what you said about there being no answer to the enigma of an author's original intent. If there were no answer, then what did the author intend to impart upon the audience in the first place?

i did not do a great job of conveying what i meant by there being no answer. The answer is known within the author or whomever has divulged what it is from the author, but there's no way that ladi_jay would have known the answer to that, it was all her opinion and i didn't like being told what the quotation meant.

quote:

Next, I realize that you are firmly against placing words in one's mouth, as you accuse Ladi Jay of doing. I usually don't read theses that read, for example: "Walt Whitman may have signified the central role of sensuality as a bridge between the faculties of the human, as I perceive it." One simply makes a statement and proceeds to justify it. A great deal of scholarly writing is written on the premise that we interpret an author's work and justify our interpretation based on evidence.

that is true, i don't think ladi_jay's post falls under that category, there was no thesis, there was a quote and she told us what it meant. (no offense julie

i'm sorry to bring you up so much)

quote:

I'm not agreeing with Ladi Jay on what the movie director meant, but I certainly don't see directors placing specific quotations into movies so that no one can ever decide on how to interpret it.

think whatever you want, but don't impose your interpretation on others. By stating waht it meant right after she quoted the quotation she forced me to think in her line of thinking assuming that was the authors, and many other people as well. Like i said, most people won't ever think twice about the quotation and just blindly follow what she said adn that is limiting the quotation to what she thought it meant and in effect oppressing the author in not allowing eir work to be utilized however they wished....

quote:

However, I agree that we should agree upon the interpretation of something before making statements based on different assumptions, as you mentioned "Let us all uniformly decide what a quotation means by being given just that, the quotation." Surely we should not be saying there is one specific way to interpret what he says, but simply refusing to agree on the basis for a discussion on the grounds that interpretations lead to no good is fruitless.

it is. I'm not exactly saying that though, i mean that we should just be given the quotation and then make interpretations off that with follow up posts. Not for the initial post to just make an interpretation and then we make our interpretation off what the initial poster stated. That's just multiplying the error. We don't have to refuse to talk abotu soemthign because interpretations are fruitless, but we should not be ignorant about it. We need to keep the author's intent in mind at all times in order to get the most out of the author's work. I just pointed it out in this thread not because i didn't want to talk about it, but because i was kind of offended that she just told me what it meant (the audacity, hoho

), and i just pointed it out more for future reference rather than to end this thread.

quote:

In any case, the quote that Ladi Jay cited is a stepping stone to the main focus of the discussion: Is the 'beauty' of a girl in her shyness, quietness, and introvert personality, as well as purity? Without a doubt, there is a notion in different societies that females must embody these characteristics/stereotypes to be accepted as 'beautiful.' Therefore, let us discuss whether this notion is true for ourselves and our societies or not.

yes let us discuss.

The beauty of a girl is in whatever society tells me it is. It's that way for everyone. I don't mean model thin girls are the most beautiful because we see them on tv and ads and the like. I mean that we tend to not like hairy girls, not to like smelly people, that kind of societal construct. There is a choice somewhere in there though as i'm sure everyone knows.

Posted by MellowYellow on 03-29-2003 09:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by krnxswat
I like shy girls.

I like shy guys.

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