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Posted by merc on 02-15-2003 03:59 PM:

Timeless

What in life is timeless?

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Posted by UnisMuiMui on 02-15-2003 04:42 PM:

a classic black dress

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Posted by requiem on 02-15-2003 05:29 PM:

Mathematics.

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Posted by merc on 02-18-2003 05:03 PM:

You say Mathematics.
I say God.

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"Truth is not determined by how many people believe it."

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Posted by ajy on 02-18-2003 05:11 PM:

time doesnt exist.

Posted by .aS.|5p!7f!|23 on 02-18-2003 05:21 PM:

i guess killing is too. wait iono wut the hell were talkin about.

Posted by requiem on 02-18-2003 06:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by merc
You say Mathematics.
I say God.

Yeah cause we don't contrast enough.

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Posted by Alchemist on 02-18-2003 10:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by AjY 2k
time doesnt exist.

Yeah your science teacher said that to me too. Well there goes my philosophy on time travel down the drain.

Posted by Ahny on 02-18-2003 11:07 PM:

merc, please define time for me and i will give you a decent answer. Isnt every physical object timeless?

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Posted by .aS.|5p!7f!|23 on 02-18-2003 11:15 PM:

under the chart of the electro magnetic spectrum time does exist, your science teacher is probably saying it doesnt under the traditional terms.

that was total bullshit i just wanted to see if anyone would believe me.

Posted by Ahny on 02-18-2003 11:17 PM:

Time is just a theory so some stupid ancient tribe can plant their dammn seeds. GOSH if there wasnt time!

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Posted by requiem on 02-19-2003 02:36 AM:

Every physical thing is not timeless but the matter that it is made of IS timeless. Either matter or energy of course.
Energy <-> Mass via E = mc²

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Posted by PsychoSnowman on 02-22-2003 05:06 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by merc
You say Mathematics.
I say God.

they aren't the same thing, math isn't explaining what exists or how it came...it's creating a methodology of calculating various forms of numbers...and hence is just based upon observation and is created on the basis of recognizign patterns (sorry for htat terrible and long sentence). It's not saying "this is how everything came to be" or "this is how everythign works", it's saying "this is what happens."

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Posted by Ahny on 02-22-2003 03:45 PM:

Thing is .. God Created math .. math didnt create god.

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Posted by PsychoSnowman on 02-22-2003 03:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ahny
Thing is .. God Created math .. math didnt create god.

exactly, so they aren't interchangable.

Though i have to say that humans created math, it's a fictional system we devised based upon observation. If we were to accept that god created everything, he/she didn't create math, he/she would have only created the occurences in reality that we constructed it from.

Did we just discover math? that's absurd, we created it. It's not as if math is universal throughout the universe and we just discovered it, we constructed it. You guys are giving to much credit to God.

Posted by requiem on 02-22-2003 04:15 PM:

Just wait for someone to say
God created Man. Man created Math. As such, God created Math.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to bring up anything about the creation of mathematics. I was naming something that is "timeless"

Main Entry: time·less
Pronunciation: 'tIm-l&s
Function: adjective
Date: circa 1560
1 archaic : PREMATURE, UNTIMELY
2 a : having no beginning or end : ETERNAL b : not restricted to a particular time or date <the timeless themes of love, solitude, joy, and nature -- Writer>
3 : not affected by time : AGELESS

While it does not fit 1 or 2a, math, to me at least, satisfies 2b and 3 in that definition. Hardly anyone uses "timeless" for the first meaning anyway.

To me, God is in the same boat as mathematics. In my eyes, God was created by man, just as math was. How man created Him is beyond me, but that is my belief. To others, this is not the case.

Mathematics, in its purest form, is universal in some aspects. While other planets might not say "1+1=2" it might just be "spork+spork=flock" but the idea, essentially, would be the same. Of course, whether or not aliens exist is a different story.

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Posted by ajy on 02-22-2003 05:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by .aS.|5p!7f!|23
under the chart of the electro magnetic spectrum time does exist, your science teacher is probably saying it doesnt under the traditional terms.

that was total bullshit i just wanted to see if anyone would believe me.

hahaha

Posted by PsychoSnowman on 02-22-2003 06:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by requiem
Just wait for someone to say
God created Man. Man created Math. As such, God created Math.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to bring up anything about the creation of mathematics. I was naming something that is "timeless"

Yeah, i was responding to merc, who said "you say mathematics,...i say god" as if they were just different words for hte same thing, when they aren't. I know you weren't trying to bring up anything aboutt he creation of it, it kidn of happened throughout the thread starting with merc's comment and hten it just kind of went from there.

quote:

Main Entry: time·less
Pronunciation: 'tIm-l&s
Function: adjective
Date: circa 1560
1 archaic : PREMATURE, UNTIMELY
2 a : having no beginning or end : ETERNAL b : not restricted to a particular time or date <the timeless themes of love, solitude, joy, and nature -- Writer>
3 : not affected by time : AGELESS

While it does not fit 1 or 2a, math, to me at least, satisfies 2b and 3 in that definition. Hardly anyone uses "timeless" for the first meaning anyway.

agreed.

quote:

To me, God is in the same boat as mathematics. In my eyes, God was created by man, just as math was. How man created Him is beyond me, but that is my belief. To others, this is not the case.

Mathematics, in its purest form, is universal in some aspects. While other planets might not say "1+1=2" it might just be "spork+spork=flock" but the idea, essentially, would be the same. Of course, whether or not aliens exist is a different story.

Yeah, but i think universality is different than saying whether or not somethign is timeless or not. But, i do happen to think that mathematics is universal as well...and timeless hehe.

And, the bit about god and mathematics....i believe something similar.

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