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abortion

wur r ur views on abortions?
i found this link interesting
http://www.users.bigpond.com/rdoolan/abortion.html

it is wrong to kill a life, but sometimes, do they really have a choice? if God is so understanding and kind, can't he understand this?

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god shouldn't make exceptions, that's hypocritical on his part and i don't see what would possibly be an acceptable rationale for him exempting someone for aborting because of some "circumstance." I can't think of anything that'd even slightly supercede that....hmmm nope.

Anyway, i don't care about it. I'm atheist and nihilist so, do whatever you want. I don't think there's a right or wrong so it's dumb to try and throw that argument at me, and i don't think it's sinful cause i'm atheist...furthermore, it's population control hahaha sorry to sound evil. I was only half serious about the last one. I prefer to stray as far from contradiction as possible, so kill anyone...hey, it's not fundamentally wrong to kill anybody, animals do it....so we can hehe , oh yeah that's cause there is no right or wrong! hehe, sorry...i'll stop.

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i think abortion is a good thing at least in some cases because i think it would be better to have an abortion if u cant emotionally, financially, or whatever the case is support a baby. It would be better not to have the baby at all rather than bring it into the world and maybe put it up for adoption where the child could have a messed up life not knowing who their family is maybe ending up with a messed up family~i dunno! lol

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from the religious point of view it's certainly wrong bcuz it's taking a life. taking the life of any person is bad. but then there's all that scientific stuff saying a fetus isn't realli a "person" yet and all that stuff bout families not bein able to support and everything and then i think bout it and realize sum pplz just hav no othr way. for me tho, i view children as a gift

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Originally posted by daNNy LuV 1TYM
but then there's all that scientific stuff saying a fetus isn't realli a "person" yet

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Originally posted by daNNy LuV 1TYM
from the religious point of view it's certainly wrong bcuz it's taking a life. taking the life of any person is bad. but then there's all that scientific stuff saying a fetus isn't realli a "person" yet and all that stuff bout families not bein able to support and everything and then i think bout it and realize sum pplz just hav no othr way. for me tho, i view children as a gift

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i think aborion is ok because you not killing a human yet because it isn't in that stage; yes, within a couple months it can become a living hman being but not in the abortion stage...though its the people's fault for not protecting themselves. Unless the condom breaks den i blame the male, he should learn how to put on a condom

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Originally posted by Alchemist
Whether or not you consider it a person, it's still alive. Aren't they made up of cells, and the cells are living. So you're still killing something.


If you've ever gone hunting, and shot a squirrel or something, you might feel sad watching it die. Then again you might just laugh at it, twitching until it dies.

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well, to clarify...i said that since it's subjective as to whether it is a "person" we should just abandon the entire moral standard on mere subjectivity and kill all or nothing.

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I think it's the fact that the fetus has the potential to grow and live. Even if a baby is possibly going to be born under harsh circustances(rape, poverty, etc), it still has a chance to live a better life. For me, taking away that chance is wrong.

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Originally posted by daNNy LuV 1TYM
i've gone fishing. watching pplz hit the fish to kill it wuzn't funni. bugs are made of cells and i dun get many qualms killin them either. but then fetuses....like PsychoSnowman said, it's subjective as to whether it's realli considered a person or not.

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Originally posted by nas
I think it's the fact that the fetus has the potential to grow and live. Even if a baby is possibly going to be born under harsh circustances(rape, poverty, etc), it still has a chance to live a better life. For me, taking away that chance is wrong.

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Originally posted by Alchemist
The fact that you have to take a life to live your own doesn't bother you? I would feel bad about killing someone, even if they were trying to take my life. I'd feel even worse if they weren't.

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Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
yeah, exactly. They should feel bad.

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nah, no need to apologize. No i was being sincere. I'd feel bad if i killed to live on, and so should they. I've seen people go to big lengths to prove they are all justified in doing so, when there isn't any. It's really a selfish decision. I've been saying this for a long time and everyone always gets upset, i'll bold it for everyone: Abortion is selfish. I don't know why people can't accept that. We had an abortion thread in the debate forum and it came down to just a debate on whether it was selfish or not. I don't remember the rationale for how it wasn't, but as i remember it wasn't that good. It was all circular and just constant tedious posts of reiteration, of which the reiteration was wrong in my opinion to begin with. Saying it isn't is a blatant lie and a cop out.

I'm not mauling you over for this, i just tangented off on that selfish facet hehe.

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i recommend you people think hard about that before you let your emotions take control and say abortion isn't selfish. You'll have a hard time getting past the "break even" point. Sure, it might be selfish to let the child live in despair...but, that's what YOU think not the child. think about all aspects, i don't feel like reiterating so much this time. YOU kill the child for YOUR opinions, not its. That is inherently selfish. Whatever you think you are saving it from is still just you, your opinions, your everything. Don't cop out. (no need to harp over the last sentence, i was joking slightly).

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Originally posted by Alchemist
The fact that you have to take a life to live your own doesn't bother you? I would feel bad about killing someone, even if they were trying to take my life. I'd feel even worse if they weren't.

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Oh ok, as for a religious viewpoint, during 4th grade a CCD teacher repeatedly told us that abortion was murder.

What if u were raped and got pregnant? Say u were like 14...should u have the kid without a father and not being at all ready emotionally for dealing with a nine month pregnancy and then giving birth to the baby i mean 14 is still a child i dunno just wondering if opinions change or not for this scenario

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