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Posted by bigChubuff on 03-09-2003 11:08 PM:

masturbation

i know it is a sin but how bad of a sin is it?
is it really that bad?

and where in the bible does it mention masturbation?

Posted by PsychoSnowman on 03-09-2003 11:14 PM:

i don't think there are degrees of sins, right? It's either a sin or it's not, i don't htink any are taken lightly or to different levels than any others. Though i don't know about it that much which is why i have the question marks hehe, someone affirm or negate please

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Posted by krnxswat on 03-10-2003 12:17 AM:

all sin's are equally bad.

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Posted by Alchemist on 03-10-2003 12:52 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by krnxswat
all sin's are equally bad.


I'm sure killing someone is just as bad as saying "Oh that's a pretty shirt" when you really think the shirt sucks.

Posted by krnxswat on 03-10-2003 01:01 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Alchemist
I'm sure killing someone is just as bad as saying "Oh that's a pretty shirt" when you really think the shirt sucks.


yup.

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Posted by .aS.|5p!7f!|23 on 03-10-2003 02:00 AM:

down with religion.

Posted by requiem on 03-10-2003 02:44 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by .aS.|5p!7f!|23
down with religion.


Run. And fast. A mentality like that will not get you far as it is. Might as well start now.

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Posted by kangg fu on 03-10-2003 04:30 AM:

masturbation is wrong because it is selfish and being selfish is a sin even though we may be selfish alot. plus, wouldnt you lose self-respect too?

Posted by krnxswat on 03-10-2003 04:51 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by kangg fu
masturbation is wrong because it is selfish and being selfish is a sin even though we may be selfish alot. plus, wouldnt you lose self-respect too?


How can masturbation be considered selfish?

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Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 03-10-2003 04:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by kangg fu
masturbation is wrong because it is selfish


yes, we are depriving the masses of willing women of our seed...

please, someone hand me the mallet.

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Posted by kangg fu on 03-10-2003 05:51 AM:

well, it's selfish because you do it to satisfy your sexual desires...and masturbation prob leads to other things such as the real thing, having sex (ooo i said sex)

Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 03-10-2003 06:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by kangg fu
well, it's selfish because you do it to satisfy your sexual desires...


so then, by following your line of logic, acting upon other base desires such as hunger, is considered sinful as well. We are, after all, being selfish by answering to bodily desire. Brilliant! I shall commence self-starvation immediately!

quote:
Originally posted by kangg fu
and masturbation prob leads to other things such as the real thing, having sex (ooo i said sex)


which in turn, is very practical for the survival of the human species. Yes, wouldn't God be happy when the rate of growing believers starts dropping.

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Posted by kangg fu on 03-10-2003 06:14 AM:

haha yes we all need to eat but eating isnt a sin...selfish sexual acts are sins

Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 03-10-2003 06:25 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by kangg fu
haha yes we all need to eat but eating isnt a sin


it is a bodily desire- as are sexual needs. Why, then is a double standard being employed?

quote:
Originally posted by kangg fu
selfish sexual acts are sins


ah yes, but you then enroach upon the realm of subjectivity. By sticking on an adjective, you press your individual belief system upon others, claiming justification through religion. Let's take out the adjective, and look at the general act of responding to sexual desire without any personal bias. Now, c/a my preceding statement.

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Posted by kangg fu on 03-10-2003 06:34 AM:

it still holds, even without "selfish", just plain sexual thoughts and actions are sin when they are not under God's provision, jesus says himself that even thinking about adultery is sin, that's not subjective, it's what it says in the bible, and yeah, so we're not married yet, but for us to think about sex with ppl is still a form of adultery

Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 03-10-2003 06:41 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by kangg fu
it still holds, even without "selfish", just plain sexual thoughts and actions are sin when they are not under God's provision, jesus says himself that even thinking about adultery is sin, that's not subjective


answer my 1st statement.

quote:
Originally posted by kangg fu
so we're not married yet, but for us to think about sex with ppl is still a form of adultery


You knowingly refuted your own statement. Wonderful job.

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Posted by kangg fu on 03-10-2003 06:48 AM:

here you go

we're not married yet, but if we trust in God and His plan, then we know that there is someone that He has already planned for us so if we just follow our own judgment and have sexual relations with someone before we marry them, we are committing adultery b/c we are deviating from the one who is to be for us..do u honestly believe that masturbation isnt a sin? or are u just arguing for the sake of argument?

Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 03-10-2003 06:58 AM:

Re: here you go

quote:
Originally posted by kangg fu
we're not married yet, but if we trust in God and His plan, then we know that there is someone that He has already planned for us so if we just follow our own judgment and have sexual relations with someone before we marry them, we are committing adultery b/c we are deviating from the one who is to be for us..


In order to believe in that, one must acknowledge that God is omniscient. I will refrain from getting into arguments about the bible, but there are clear passages in the text wherein God makes mistakes, and recognizes them. e.g. the covenant with moses, thereby explicating that the Lord is not all-knowing, and that his plan is not perfect.

BTW- Answer my first statement from the my post 4 replies up.

quote:
Originally posted by kangg fu
do u honestly believe that masturbation isnt a sin? or are u just arguing for the sake of argument?


I am not religious, and therefore do not believe that masturbation is a sin. I do, however, understand that sin is a religious construct, and therefore, I will argue under mostly religious terms.

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Posted by kangg fu on 03-10-2003 07:12 AM:

ok well first how bout you make some good arguments instead of just questioning mine without trying to use all the big vocab words to impress people, its not gonna help what you say anymore and if your gonna use pompous vocab try spelling it right
and how dare you say God is wrong? try to show some respect to the Christian religion which million of people live their lives by.. and btw, God is omniscient

Posted by kangg fu on 03-10-2003 07:14 AM:

and for bigChubuff...if you look in Colossians 3:5, it says, "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry" masturbation falls under lust...also read 1 thessalonians 4:1-7

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