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Posted by Azn2296 on 02-22-2003 07:09 AM:

abortion...right or wrong

this is for my essay just list some reasons that some people say its right and some people that say its wrong... and a reason or something... thanx

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Posted by PsychoSnowman on 02-22-2003 02:58 PM:

it's neither right or wrong...just like everything, but regardless if you need help with your paper i found some of the old topics that were about this for you, the first one is from spiritual life forum, and the second is from this very debate forum , hope it helps:

http://www.jusunlee.com/forums/show...hlight=abortion

http://www.jusunlee.com/forums/show...hlight=abortion

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Posted by aznkid1008 on 02-24-2003 02:22 AM:

man this topic is very unstable. well i like snowman said there is no rite or wrong in this situation its wat u personally think. people say its a horrible thing for people 2 kill babies. i believe many can agree wit that but others also so well its the same as a baby dyin before birth. i mean is it alive or dead or wat? i personally got no set view on this topic...

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Posted by PsychoSnowman on 02-24-2003 05:04 AM:

no no, sorry to be nitpicky but i didn't say it's wrong in this instance only, i said there never is a right or wrong because morality is a creation of humanity and hence is just an artificiality. Meaning we can't claim any sort of moral ground because it has no firm basing, and infinitely subjective in every regard. It's something we claim to be existent, but just...isn't

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Posted by aznkid1008 on 02-24-2003 09:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
no no, sorry to be nitpicky but i didn't say it's wrong in this instance only, i said there never is a right or wrong because morality is a creation of humanity and hence is just an artificiality. Meaning we can't claim any sort of moral ground because it has no firm basing, and infinitely subjective in every regard. It's something we claim to be existent, but just...isn't

u lost me ur sayin there is no like right or wrong? so uhh there is no good or evil? im confused srry the only thing i got was that morality is a creation of humanity. as in situation i ment the topic but hmmm interestin how u believe there is no rite and wrong.

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Posted by AZN Pinoy BOI on 02-24-2003 10:29 PM:

i think its wrong... it's just like murder... u don't even let ur "child" have a chance to live....why do abortion, let him/her b born and he/she can b adopted if u on't want ur child

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Posted by PsychoSnowman on 02-24-2003 10:44 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by aznkid1008
u lost me ur sayin there is no like right or wrong? so uhh there is no good or evil? im confused srry the only thing i got was that morality is a creation of humanity. as in situation i ment the topic but hmmm interestin how u believe there is no rite and wrong.


if there is no right or wrong ( "On the genealogy of morals") then there is no good and evil ("beyond good and evil"). It's all artificial, so we cna't claim anything higher of ground than an opinion is what it means. We can't say "that's wrong!" becuase nothing is inherently wrong. We can say "i think that's wrong" or whatever, but we have to recognize that it's subjective to personal ethics. Ethics is a creation of humanity and is nothing mroe than an opinion, and i don't like how people make it out ot be so pandemic and universal. They restrict what i can or can't do for the sake of something we call morality, when i should be able to do wahtever i want. I should be able to kill someone, someone should be able to kill me, no one has rights, and it's fine that we live in an artificial world of civilization...but i don't like it all the time. Granted, if we lived in the animalism i'm describing we'd not be as progressed as we are and such, so i like it in a sense and i like being alive i guess...but it bothers me when people try and claim a moral high ground, which effectually becomes something everyone can empathize with because i can't because i don't think morality exists.

i recommend you read those books i outlined above in parenthesis if you are interested enough to do so. They summate a lot of how i think in some aspects, they're both by Friedrich Nietzsche, i like hiim a lot, he's a smart guy.

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Posted by Ladi Jay on 02-25-2003 09:02 PM:

Thumbs up

I say, let there be abortion!


Posted by aznkid1008 on 02-25-2003 10:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ladi Jay
I say, let there be abortion!

?? do u kno wat abortion is....
if so uhh plz explain why because this is a DEBATE and when u debate u giv facts and proof to favor ur side.

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Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 02-26-2003 12:48 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by aznkid1008
?? do u kno wat abortion is....


well, let's take a look-see shall we? She started one of the two older abortion threads. Hence, it is fairly obvious that she is aware of what she is asserting.

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Posted by Juny on 03-11-2003 12:44 AM:

well abortion is something to think about.. bc if the child is born and u cant support it what do u feel about the child.. and if u have an abortion i dont if u can say that the child was "born" and physically looked into the world so i duno what about that.. so i dunno if it is right or wrong. but im leaning toward wrong bc whoever made this child had a choice and they made it and now they need to face the consequences.. abortion still is another payment u will have to make and giving birth is another payment u will encounter.. so u just have to think about it so i guess.. antoher point u can bring is abortion can lower the baby births.. but when u think of it its ruining society.


Posted by PsychoSnowman on 03-22-2003 08:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Juny
but when u think of it its ruining society.


Clearly, abortion just "ruin[s]" society.

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Posted by niggoreanboi on 03-24-2003 05:22 AM:

i'm unsure everything gotz a good and bad side...
on abortion your really not killing a being but something that can become a human life, but that person should of used a condom; what if the condom breaks and get pregnant there should be a right to abortion the pedis fedis something lol but iuno >.<


Posted by Alchemist on 03-24-2003 11:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by niggoreanboi
i'm unsure everything gotz a good and bad side...
on abortion your really not killing a being but something that can become a human life, but that person should of used a condom; what if the condom breaks and get pregnant there should be a right to abortion the pedis fedis something lol but iuno >.<



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Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 03-24-2003 11:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Juny
but im leaning toward wrong bc whoever made this child had a choice and they made it and now they need to face the consequences.. =


why yes the rape victim truly has a choice in deciding whether or not she is able to be impregnated.

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Posted by kryogenix on 09-23-2003 10:34 PM:

Pro Life or Pro Choice

so, what are you?


Posted by ajy on 09-24-2003 12:24 AM:

Pro shut the hell up, and die.


Posted by tm11 on 09-24-2003 01:48 AM:

both

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Posted by kryogenix on 09-24-2003 01:51 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by tm11
both


i mean, do you support abortion?


Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 09-24-2003 03:42 AM:

merging threads.

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