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psychosnowman, have you ever read the poem "we wear the mask"? well, i know for fact that most people have a defense mechanism built into them that replaces any uncomfortable emotion or feeling -with humor. it makes sense that we do this - b/c humor is much easier to handle than shame, pain - whatever.
still, i do not agree with your arguments.
ok - so your friend uses humor. you say she's coping - i say she's hiding.
it's all relative

i am seung ju's sister. the stories he told you are of my past. though i know you feel strongly about this, as does my brother, i would respectfully request that this topic be dropped - it thoroughly irritates me.

you never know much about anything until you've experienced the circumstance or situation in its entirety. i'd thank you to stop putting on the fascade that you are a mountain of useful knowledge to us. you are, in fact, just another random person posting on a forum.

i found it ironic that you apologized for stirring up such anger, yet persued your quest to be the victor of your little argument.

by the way, in the Bible it states that it is an abomonation to God when men lie with men (followed by "when men lie with beast"). so - it is in the Bible that homosexuality is wrong.

my stance on the gay issue: i do not condone their lifestyle or their choices regarding homosexuality. still, i am bound as a Christian to love them just the same.

God bless y'all *^_^*

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u guys fuckin writing essays...

I'M NOT POSTING ON THIS THREAD ANYMORE...I'll try not to stir up any more arguments, i'll just respond. I'll drop the issue, due to your request and the fact that i was about to anyway (there was no progression). I guess i'm too used to Cross-X.com, where people outline every point and respond, Seung Ju. Also, so many people responded to my comment, that this post will be LONG also. READ IF YOU WANT. It's seperated to respond to different people.


Mariposa - since your post, i have recently read the poem. And though my friend uses humor, it seems as though she is able to approach the subject in a better way and more of good seriousness by utilizing it in my opinion. I understand you don't agree with my arguments. And though you find it ironic me apologizing and then pursuing to respond to his arguments (why cannot the two be done at the same time, i did not mean harm, therefore i apologized; simple as that), i find it ironic that you wish to cease the discussion but continue with calling me these titles and even attempt to progress the issue ( calling me a "mountain of knowledge", proof in the bible of homosexuality). Just because my posts were long does not make me a mountain of knowledge. I'm not putting on any fascade, you are the one imposing that name on my posts. It was meant in a negative sense as i see in your post, and that doesn't do anything to end this thread (though i will end it of course). I could easily say you and seung ju are imposing your "mountain of knowledge" on me easily, but i'm not (and it's not because you aren't worthy of hte title.) It's out of respect for you ideals. You also go on to reduce me to "another random person on the forum" as if i have claimed the title of mountain of knowledge. It is all you. I don't reduce you to such names out of respect, but you don't really show any towards the opposing side. You'd like to thank me to stop putting on a fascade of a mountain of knowledge? I'm not, and I'd like to thank you to stop disregarding my point of view and imposing such monikers upon me. And another thing, it's not MY little argument. Seung Ju brought it of issue if you wanna assign blame. You could easily say it was my fault for saying it, but then Foucault Normality Philosophy would say that you shouldn't assume it was me just because i was out of the norm of discourse. So who's little argument is it? kind of subjective.

I find it distasteful that you say my friend is hiding with humor. Though it coincides with that poem, i feel she is very different from it. So you have to cry during the night, have suicide attempts, and such to "deal" or "cope" with it? I don't agree. In ways, i think she deals with it more real and efficiently than i've seen in other instances (yours being on of them). Crying won't do anything, suicide is horrible, and i'm sorry for what you went through but don't you agree how painful it was? Why suffer when you do not need to? Humor doesn't equal running. And humor can be a way to cope with BOTH aspects, shame, pain, etc. more easily. See what i'm getting at? However, of course we are entitled to opinions.

One last thing, i don't want to start another big chain reactions of responses or anything, but could you possibly tell me where it says that in the bible? As you can tell i am into this sort of thing, and i have never seen this reference before (however obvious it may be). It has sparked my interest.

Seung Ju - i feel you misunderstood me, however it does not matter. Again, though it may be an excuse, i'm used to Cross-x.com where everyone responds to every single aspect and point of the arguments in each post; and not all this dodging and such. If you don't want to respond to my arguments, then so be it. I expected a kind of mutual opposing side respect, but that seems only one-sided here. Lastly, the only reason i repeat myself is because you don't respond to it. And you never acknowledge as fully the arguments that i give as i do to yours. And it may have seemed that i turned around your arguments, but you misinterpreted and i cleared things up and rebutted. It wasn't JUST luck that made her cope with it. She coped with it HER way and it helped, ok? You are imposing a whole lot false things on me, like telling moms that it's ok with humor and cheer up or something. I don't know where that came from but though it helped your side of the issue. It was all false and imposed though, all i'm doing is posting on a forum and i joke about it in conversations and stuff (when appropriate, i know you think it's never appropriate). I don't have a big mission. And you misunderstood my side of the story i think. Finally, about my ego, I might have come across that way but i pride myself in having a minimal ego, and it wouldn't have been inflated. But whatever, if you responded to my side instead of your side then it may have not seemed like i had such a big "ego." It's easy to say terrorism and rape are completely different things, my point did have reason in it though. Again whatever, thats all.


Jun - You are wrong on your assumption. If something bad happened to me, i would want people to laugh at it. If it could help them feel better for even a little while, i would love that. Helping anyone feel better for even a little bit of time with no price to pay (except those in the past that were uncontrollable) is a great thing to do. It might even make me feel better to laugh at it once in awhile. Though i realize not a lot of people have this mentality by examining the thread. Also, i don't think rape is meaningless.


CrazyDeb8ter - Thanks for understanding my side. I agree with your entire post.


BigChubuff - I don't have a grudge against you. Though i imagine people do against me now . It's all about respecting people's opinions and not letting emotions getting in the way. They may have happened for a duration of time with me, but they won't anymore. No, because i know people are going to accuse me of this...you don't have to think this way, ok?



All in all, i understand people got offended by my comment, and i actually pondered if i should actually write that in my original post, but i went with it mostly due to my mentality towards the issue. I understand a LOT of people don't feel the same, and in the future i'll just stick my comments like that in Cross-x.com (where intelligent discourse supercedes emotions speaking for people instead of rationale) hah, or just not say them to the general public.

i guess i'll have to be the bigger person and say nothing.
God bless

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jeez... u guyz write soo long i couldnt read the whole post yea...i think that itz a good idea if everyone calms down and stuff... i wish i read all of the posts but they were WAY too long and i wuz getting dizzy from all of the letters... no, actually i just kinda got sick of it after that whole "bible" thing... and then this topic turned into rape or terrorism or SOMETHING.... yea... um... could someone just sum up what everyone said in it fast simple lil post?? NOT an essay!~

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bottom line is: we all had a huge misunderstanding. we got on aim and worked everything out, and that's all it really was, and we let it get to our heads. but i think we'd all agree that this thread be deleted, if its not any trouble.

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u guys fuckin writing essays...

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dude are you GAY?

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Originally posted by ass
are you gay? say YES! and tell the truth to the people

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immagijibae: seons a hoeeeeeee, he wears them g-strings, and i also knowwwww, they hurt his dinga-lings~ la l alalala~ nanannan~ oh~ seons a hoeeeeee, he wears them g-strings..............
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hmm i know the argument is over but...

in the Bible, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, they were destroyed by God because the town (men) wanted to "sleep" with the male angels sent from God.

:T

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Originally posted by altec
hmm i know the argument is over but...

in the Bible, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, they were destroyed by God because the town (men) wanted to "sleep" with the male angels sent from God.

:T

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immagijibae: seons a hoeeeeeee, he wears them g-strings, and i also knowwwww, they hurt his dinga-lings~ la l alalala~ nanannan~ oh~ seons a hoeeeeee, he wears them g-strings..............
immagijibae: liiiiiiiiiiiiiike my new 1-minute-made-up song???????

move to debate forum..

i have no problem with gay people what so ever
they are some of the nicest people you will ever meet
i mean its their choice in life and its the choices in life we make that makes us who we are.....all those christians and catholics should learn to be more open minded cause gay people are human beings not something to be looked down upon....and plus god made everyone didnt he so you should learn to respect everyone even if you have problems or disagreee with someones choice

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i totally agreee with psycho snowman

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well... i'm a christian.. and like at our church we don't condemn gays or whatever.. actually we like them.. <as people> like they're the nicest people in the world.. i swear... but we hate the sin that they do... not the person... well i'm probably juss bein' stupid right now... so yeah...

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i couldn't really care if somebody's gay or not. I think it's wierd when people say "that's gay" when they really mean "that's fucking stupid."

isn't fucking stupid better to use? oh well. krnswat, look what you started:

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hmmmm.. which book? chapter? verse?

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oh well. krnswat, look what you started:

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Leviticus 20:13

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immagijibae: seons a hoeeeeeee, he wears them g-strings, and i also knowwwww, they hurt his dinga-lings~ la l alalala~ nanannan~ oh~ seons a hoeeeeee, he wears them g-strings..............
immagijibae: liiiiiiiiiiiiiike my new 1-minute-made-up song???????

Okay, first of all I want to say that I've read this whole thread and I think it's amazing how much input you guys put into this, especially David and Seung Ju.

Second, I don't think this thread should be deleted. It's in the debate forum, where different views are put into perspective. I don't see anything wrong with this thread.

Now, my opinion on this 'gay people' topic. I don't find anything 'wrong' or 'right' with people being gay, afterall, their sexual orientation really can't be helped; who am I to say what is right and what is wrong? Like PsychoSnowman said, it really is just another lifestyle. Come to think of it, what is 'right' and what is wrong? I really don't like using those words. What is 'right' to you, could be 'wrong' to another.
I was baptised as a Catholic, so I guess you could say I am a Catholic, but I really don't see myself as a Catholic. Sure, I go to church and I pray but I don't believe I know enough about this religion.
Just something I wanted to point out; my uncle answered when I asked why homosexuality was a sin (this was about a year or more ago) that the reason 'homosexuality' is sin, is because originally, homosexuality is what brought on 'AIDS' and the such.
Just something to think about. Nowadays I really don't see why homosexuality is a 'sin' if that's the reason why.
It seems that people judge what is 'right' and what is 'wrong' using the bible as a guide. Although I am baptised as a Catholic, I really don't believe that the Bible is a reliable guide. I guess I just don't have that 'faith'.

A great part of organized religion, is the mystery that God works with.

Sorry if you don't understand what I'm trying to state, but it just all jumbled out of my thoughts and views into my fingers and onto the keyboard and into the screen, haha.

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well... i'm a christian.. and like at our church we don't condemn gays or whatever.. actually we like them.. <as people> like they're the nicest people in the world.. i swear... but we hate the sin that they do... not the person... well i'm probably juss bein' stupid right now... so yeah...

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