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Don't say anything about something you don't know... in this case, you don't know anything about the Hmong history, which plays a big roll in why we are considered Asian, so don't say anything... thank you!

Besides, you shouldn't have brought up the Hmong in this thread in the first place because it had nothing to do with the Hmong...

well he knows something about hmong history. It is true that there is no definitive place hmong people are known to have been from, but there are a lot of theories and most commonly the south east china theory of origin is accepted. Then there's a theory of them migrating from Iran i think, and Russia (Siberia), and then south eastern asia like vietname and Laos. I mean, i think those are the most common origin theories about them, most accept the south east china one, but that isn't set in stone like french people being from france, hence europe. There are widely accepted ideas of where they are from, but i still think that they are from somewhere in asia, i mean they have adapted to have their own physical characteristics. Who cares if they didn't look like that back then, then they'd be a different race. Hmong is an asian race for every single reason i've been saying since this thread started. But, as i've said as well, that isn't definite, but i thikn that is the most likely option.

Ilsung, please don't say "show me some evidence" because as i've outlined it's impossible to show you evidence in your idea of infinitely regressive origins. No reiterating please

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Well, I guess there is no way to get evidence. Even if there was it'd still be quite complicated. I just don't consider them Asian because they have no clue where they actually originiated from. Like you stated, they have theories of where they came from. Ladi Jay, yes, I have HMONG friends and they have told me about this. I told them I don't think they are asian and to a point they somewhat agreed. I mean, i'd think they are Asian in another country but like I said before place a white girl who LOOKS like an asian girl in another country, i'd think she's asian too. Its just all based off assumptions and theories. Myself, doesn't believe assumptions. I just consider them Hmong, what's wrong with being Hmong? Its not like i'm going "haha you're not asian" its more along the lines of "i don't care if your asian or not" I just believe that Hmong should be considered an own ethnicity by itself. Since they'res such a great number of Hmong.

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How would the evidence be complicated? The only complicated thing at all in this entire thread is your incredibly subjective definition of what constitutes something as being one's origin. I've given you my terms, but yours is just floating around and doesn't do anything at all, it makes your argument impossible to win. Again, we're all african by your terms.

One thing, who cares what your Hmong friends think? I don't consider them a cesspool of knowledge of the hmong people just because they are hmong. You've given me ample reason to think the opposite. Who cares if they odn't know where they originated from, that doesn't mean "Hmongs have no clue where they came from." Haha, your manner of saying it disregards everything when you yourself know that that is not true at all. They have clues. So stop saying that. it sounds so dumb, hmongs have no clue whatsoever where they came from haha, sorry, it's been annoying me that you just disregard all the clues i feed you.

Anyway, it's not just assumption, its actually quite good evidence. The only bad assumption going on here is that an origin is....wahtever you say it is, but won't ever say it. We won't get anywhere until you answer this. No one has any idea what your idea of origin is, seriously you've done that poor of a job explaining.

And, no one trying to regain pride by saying hmong's are asian, stop defending yourself against nothing.

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oh yeah, didn't we all ready establish that that white girl in asia example is completely irrelevent? Look back, you never said anything in response to what i said, but that answers back whatever you are going to say. White girl in asia....irrelevent...moving on please. She isn't asian because of her well established known origin all ready, asian means developing characteristics due to asian climate and whatever,like pigminting skin and eye shape, etc.

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I know about the white girl the reason why I brought that up is 'cause she KNOWs her origin. I never said my HMONG friends speak for everyone either now did I. All I said was that I was agreeing with you but on some sides you have to agree with me too. The evidence WOULD be complicated, who would have it? who would be able to vouch for it? etc... I'm not defending myself, I was agreeing with you. I just said that I thought they should be considered a different ethnicity since their origin is unknown.

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[B I just said that I thought they should be considered a different ethnicity since their origin is unknown. [/B]

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Like I said before, that's all based off of assumptions. Assumptions are not facts.

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how is that based off of assumptions, and what assumptions would those be? How the hell are your assertions not based off of assumptions?
you haven't answered anything we've said in this thread except for repeating that assumptions are not facts.

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For the 20th time:

You just restate yourself, here's the one thing you have to answer before we can move on:

"When is an area considered an "origin" to a group of people?"

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I know about the white girl the reason why I brought that up is 'cause she KNOWs her origin.

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I never said my HMONG friends speak for everyone either now did I.

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All I said was that I was agreeing with you but on some sides you have to agree with me too.

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etc... I'm not defending myself, I was agreeing with you. I just said that I thought they should be considered a different ethnicity since their origin is unknown.

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Half of the time I don't see a difference in your posts. Why I keep saying that is 'cause you keep bringing up things that AREN'T FACTS. I mean so what if their culture is a lot like an asian's one. Asian cultures are way different from eachother. Its not like if you do this and that in your culture than you are asian. I'm sure some white and blakc parents have the same kinda way of life as some asian parents but that doesn't make them asian 'cause they know their origin. if Hmong knew their origin, where tehy came from, instead of saying oh I think its something something something or maybe this that this. If they kept with one idea, maybe then i'da gree. But since they are talkinga bout coming from other countries, that obviously makes them not asian. that means they adapted to the asian country tradition and cultures to live there. i also heard that htey came from alaska a long time ago.

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Like I said before, that's all based off of assumptions. Assumptions are not facts.

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Originally posted by ¨Õ¨Ø¨ß¨á¨Ú¨Ó
Half of the time I don't see a difference in your posts.

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Originally posted by ¨Õ¨Ø¨ß¨á¨Ú¨Ó
Half of the time I don't see a difference in your posts. Why I keep saying that is 'cause you keep bringing up things that AREN'T FACTS. I mean so what if their culture is a lot like an asian's one. Asian cultures are way different from eachother. Its not like if you do this and that in your culture than you are asian. I'm sure some white and blakc parents have the same kinda way of life as some asian parents but that doesn't make them asian 'cause they know their origin. if Hmong knew their origin, where tehy came from, instead of saying oh I think its something something something or maybe this that this. If they kept with one idea, maybe then i'da gree. But since they are talkinga bout coming from other countries, that obviously makes them not asian. that means they adapted to the asian country tradition and cultures to live there. i also heard that htey came from alaska a long time ago.

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if you can name these assumptions you've fabricated, i will give you a dollar...actually i won't, but please do it anyway.

And why do you care about facts so much? Let's follow Ilsung world again..."all right, facts are.....oh i don't know exactly i guess." Exactly, there are no facts in teh world at all or universe. Everything is a perception or belief. I don't see why you harp on this we won't ever have a "fact."

They aren't really assumptions, they are rather good clues. They reside in asia and they share asian racial aspects, hence they were a derivative of asian climate, etc to where they have become known as asian. Simple as that.

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that post was a waste, you realize that you didn't say anything new, just restating the terribly flawed point you've been trying to argue this whole time.

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yeah well there isn't a whole lot to argue about. its not that great of a subject to debate about. i'm suprised its went ont his long. oh well.

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it's because you keep repeating yourself.

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Originally posted by ¨Õ¨Ø¨ß¨á¨Ú¨Ó
i also heard that htey came from alaska a long time ago.

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Originally posted by ¨Õ¨Ø¨ß¨á¨Ú¨Ó
Why I keep saying that is 'cause you keep bringing up things that AREN'T FACTS

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Like I said before, that's all based off of assumptions. Assumptions are not facts.

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Originally posted by ¨Õ¨Ø¨ß¨á¨Ú¨Ó
Assumptions are not facts

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-Cromwell

Yes, but I stated before my claim is just as good as your claim. Ontop of that, he was talking about places where they may have originated from. Notice how I said MAY and not they DID.

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