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Posted by Alchemist on 12-29-2002 12:26 AM:

I got to this thread a little late, (well, just now actually) so posting my views/response would just be redundant, although I would like to point out that I am offended by this even though I am not an arab and have not been oppressed by this.

I'll just ask some questions.

Who is the current National Security Advisor?

Did Bush consult him/her?

Posted by tm11 on 12-29-2002 12:36 AM:

this is off topic, but it has bothered me for quite a while. Has anyone else picked up the severe irony of klumzy's sig, where it says "ignorance is bliss" and he attributes that to the matrix, whereas that quotation is not at all from the matrix? He must be quite happy with that in his sig.

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Posted by Alchemist on 12-29-2002 12:57 AM:

Really? I thought Cypher said it while he was talking to an agent.

Which reminds me of a quote that wasn't from The Matrix, "If ignorance is bliss then I'm orgasmic."

Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 12-29-2002 01:11 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Klumzy
hey moron, since you're argument is 100% right, why don't you write a petition to the president then? tell them all that shit u wrote above... maybe they can see what they are doing wrong???
i believe this country is doing what is necessary to deal with those damn terrorists, and i support the government 100%
Heil Bush!

uh hey moron, think about it. The president doesn't even get the mails. Even if he does, he is at liberty to disregard it. That is the basis for what he has been doing for the past year: ignoring internal dissent.
At least attempt to provide an answer with some semblance of rationality and thought.

quote:
Originally posted by Klumzy
well to answer crazy's question " WTF is wrong with you" i say this... nothing, wtf is wrong with thinking bush is making the best decision out of a bad situation??

c/a my previous post. obviously, you did not even read it, judging from your response.

quote:
Originally posted by Klumzy
Heil Bush!

God damn you are an idiot. I cannot believe you are Jusun's brother. Jusun's elder brother at that.

c/a all of David's responses.

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Posted by Klumzy on 12-29-2002 01:12 AM:

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Originally posted by PsychoSnowman

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people don't always intend for what follows. That's usually never the point. I don't mind though.

But still, bush isn't behind all this. It's the INS, sure bush will back it because he won't say the INS is doing wrong from somehting he helped to get into ruling. But, it's not just bush. I like to believe in the goodwill of our leaders, and i do...but i think that goodwill isn't enough when it's blind.

And...how did i bash you? Seriously, i don't htink i did at all.

Anywah, thank you that was fun

you didn't i just like using that line "PLZ BASH ME"

woot

u should join the debate team, it was fun replying to ur msgs too

glad someone read the whole thing thru

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Posted by Klumzy on 12-29-2002 01:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by tm11
this is off topic, but it has bothered me for quite a while. Has anyone else picked up the severe irony of klumzy's sig, where it says "ignorance is bliss" and he attributes that to the matrix, whereas that quotation is not at all from the matrix? He must be quite happy with that in his sig.

why is it bothering? that quote is from the matrix... and happy too

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Posted by Klumzy on 12-29-2002 01:18 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Crazydeb8ter
uh hey moron, think about it. The president doesn't even get the mails. Even if he does, he is at liberty to disregard it. That is the basis for what he has been doing for the past year: ignoring internal dissent.
At least attempt to provide an answer with some semblance of rationality and thought.

c/a my previous post. obviously, you did not even read it, judging from your response.

God damn you are an idiot. I cannot believe you are Jusun's brother. Jusun's elder brother at that.

c/a all of David's responses.

hey moron ur arguments had flaws too just like mine, i just didn't want to waste my time pointing them out... and don't forget your a fuckin idiot too... why do you care anyway??? u a stupid fuckin tree hugger? go fuck yourself

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Posted by ajy on 12-29-2002 01:20 AM:

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back with the pics

Posted by Klumzy on 12-29-2002 01:29 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by AjY 2k
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back with the pics

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Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 12-29-2002 01:35 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Klumzy
hey moron ur arguments had flaws too just like mine, i just didn't want to waste my time pointing them out

quote:
since you're argument is 100% right...

you said it yourself

quote:
Originally posted by Klumzy
why do you care anyway???

because I care for the integrity of America. Read and think before you ask questions.

quote:
Originally posted by Klumzy
u a stupid fuckin tree hugger? go fuck yourself

don't be angry that nature despises Bush and his followers

Posted by sangxjin on 12-29-2002 01:35 AM:

supermod delete this.

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Posted by sangxjin on 12-29-2002 01:51 AM:

-edit-

Alchemist
-our current National Security Advisor is Dr. Condoleezza Rice

more here

btw.
i think all of you guys have valid arguments but i tend to lean toward vic's side. I agree with him when he stated that we're only wasting time seeking out these terrorist orginazations.

god.
everything would be normal if clinton was here. i know some of you might disagree with me but i think clintons policies were alot better. Bush on the other hand is a selfish idiot who thinks he can cover up the desolation of our already poor economy by making up some stupid excuse and going to war. i remember him saying that we had to go to war because iraq broke some missile policy. the thing is the US has broken countless treaties by producing nuclear weapons and what not. someone help me on this.

i know im going off topic but i think we should debate bush's policy on this whole iraq war.

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Posted by tm11 on 12-29-2002 05:49 AM:

ugh, that's not the point. I don't understand why klumzy attributes that statement to the matrix, as it clearly is a common saying. I suppose he is right in doing so, but it seems rather unnecessary. That's like taking another phrase such as "what you see is what you get" and attributing it to "hidden agenda" by craig david, as that line is said in that song. That's so stupid.

klumzy , watch your language, no need for ad homs to prove your point, it makes you look chilidish and ignorant (not that your racist thesis doesn't anyways), and happy too. You too victor, heh.

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Posted by PsychoSnowman on 12-29-2002 07:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by sangxjin
supermod delete this.

i hope you don't mean the thread.

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god.
everything would be normal if clinton was here. i know some of you might disagree with me but i think clintons policies were alot better.

"We would not have had all these problems if i had been president" - Trent Lott, hahah, the analogous nature is striking to what you just said...oh, but he's being reprimanded for saying that.

Secondly, i hate "normal"

Thirdly, clinton couldn't repair THAT much better than bush did. You make it sound like he is a miracle worker and that the war on terror is all bush's fault. It's not, clinton would have gone on a war as well probably. Think about it, he's a democrat...hmm that means liberal...that means he'd probably be more likely to take governmental action...which would be a war on terror. I bet you don't know most of the policies clinton even did. That's the media talking, tell me why clinton is such a miracle worker and then i'll take this seriously. This is all media fed candy your spitting out. Which policies were better? Oh yeah, Clintonomics (as the term has been coined) took place in a time of economic growth...you think he was responsible for that? Sure, partly i suppose but it was all about timing. Economic progression is cyclical, everyone knows that. And, just becuase bush is president at a time of recession doesn't mean that it's his fault. What do people think that? And, Clinton isn't responsible for all the economic success, he has countless economic advisors and the like that help him do things. It's not as if he's just some brilliant mastermind.

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Bush on the other hand is a selfish idiot who thinks he can cover up the desolation of our already poor economy by making up some stupid excuse and going to war. i remember him saying that we had to go to war because iraq broke some missile policy.

This is a very valid reason. We'd be a weak nation if we let things like 9/11 just slide by, that's why teh US is the world's only Superpower, because we do things like this. We don't let people just mess with us and we don't just take it. We retailiate and sanction nations and the like. Iraq has broken a missile policy, and it poses a danger to the world and specifically regions around it and israel...hmmm why not go to war? I'm no advocating it, but it can be rationalized simply..you make it seem as if it's impossible to do so. It's the same reason we went to war in the gulf war...hmm this time it's more on potentiality, but we don't want to wait for iraq to invade kuwait again (oh, they are bombing there ships again btw, were or are don't know which). Furthermore, we aren't going to war. There are inspectors inspecting for weaponry that iraq isn't supposed to have. You think it's just the US? Oooohh, the United Nations had a unanimous decision for them to go back in...so it wasn't the US only? Yes! It was every single nation in the UN. Kind of ruins your whole argument.

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the thing is the US has broken countless treaties by producing nuclear weapons and what not. someone help me on this.

Can't help you on this one....simply for the reason that you are very wrong. The US hasn't broken countless nuclear weapons treaties. The US hasn't signed treaties such as (what i think you are referring to) the Non Proliferation Treaty. Other nations have, but the US hasn't so we aren't breaking anything. Also, we were part of the Anti Ballistic missle treaty but we aren't anymore since we are developing National Missile Defense. No, we aren't breaking it, we cancelled our agreement with it. Everyone knows. It's not a violation.

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i know im going off topic but i think we should debate bush's policy on this whole iraq war.

sure.

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Posted by PsychoSnowman on 12-29-2002 07:19 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Klumzy
you didn't i just like using that line "PLZ BASH ME"

woot u should join the debate team, it was fun replying to ur msgs too glad someone read the whole thing thru

ah, i was on it.

But....no reply to what i just said?

and, victor had valid points. I don't see why you don't say anything to them besides profanity.

Posted by sangxjin on 12-29-2002 05:36 PM:

good one snowman.
im not really good with politics and that crap.
btw. i meant my post, not the thread.

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Posted by Alchemist on 12-31-2002 05:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by sangxjin
good one snowman.
im not really good with politics and that crap.
btw. i meant my post, not the thread.

Hey dude, thanks for telling me who the National security advisor is.

Posted by Alchemist on 01-08-2003 02:37 PM:

All this time we've been talking about the imprisonment of the "arab-americans," I didn't notice that the article said they were Iranian and middle-eastern citizens. What are their rights as foreigners?

Posted by YaaMaKoh on 01-09-2003 08:35 PM:

wow...
so many views...
any of them could be right...
i applaud all of you who just debated...
and please try not to diss other people, its a debate. for fun, and to acknoledge some more information in our lives, that we use every day.

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Posted by the bue on 01-09-2003 08:38 PM:

what yaamakoh said is what i think also. You guys are very intelligent and have really great views. But when things turn around and you guys start making fun of eachother its not cool.

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