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Posted by requiem on 12-21-2002 06:36 PM:
Cloning people can help cure cancer and other things by helping us determine if cancer is a genetic anomaly or something caused by exposure to environment.
That's just one way. The replacement of cancerous organs with perfectly functioning organs (that will not conflict due to the same properties) will help cure cancer for many.
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Posted by PsychoSnowman on 12-23-2002 06:59 PM:
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Originally posted by Ladi Jay
so how can cloning people help find cure for cancer? Sure, they'll have the same DNA, genes, and what ever else, but will we use the clone to experiment on? I find the cloned person to be another human being... doesn't sound very appetizing! 
again, cloning people is just a way to make money and find oneself in public... it's dispicable (sp?)... I find it immoral and disgusting 
again, we are taking what we know a step too far into what we don't NEED but what we WANT... As of right now, it is illegal in the states to clone people, and it should stay that way... (should be illegal in other countries also) we do not know enough about DNA to do such a thing yet... there WILL be a defect in our outcome, maybe not the first couple times we do it, but it will occur some time later... we should think about safety first, if we want to create the super human with the ideological characteristics... I like nature and what it has done!!!
(oops, didn't mean to turn this thread into another cloning section)
ahh, julie you make terrible ill informed assumptions here and act like i condone them.
first of all, we won't "experiment" on clones hehe, we'll acquire new knowledge by cloning in totality. And, that will contribute to finding cures through diseases through understanding, genetic nature of it, and genome business we can learn more about such. Thus, it would help find a cure to cancer if that's what you want so badly...oh wait.."NEED." Of course you realize the word need is very subjective from person to person. But, in any case, this helps to put cloning people in a place of necessity in your line of thinking.
Next, i really despise that comment about cloning being only a way of making money and getting attention in the public eye. Please don't respond with a "i truly believe that" cause if you do even a little bit more research on it or thinking of its nature you'll realize how dumb that sounds. You're essentializing it down to all the wrong means, extraneous ones at that. It doesn't work at all. Stop lying, you know it's not the truth, least i hope you do.
All right, i've covered the want vs. need argument back in my first paragraph. Since i've put it in your line of thinking, it should be a necessity, therefore, there's no need to take that argument any further anyway.
Ok...it's illegal in the united states. Oh wait, we have George Bush as president and a republican majority in congress...ooh! that's why! Bush is against stem cell research too, damn. Hey, i have an idea. WHy don't we just advocate whatever the US is doing right now! it can't be wrong!, rationale enough for me! (sarcasm). I don't see how it being illegal in the US does anything for your side of the issue.
And we don't have perfect knowledge of DNA? oh no...hehe. Oh well, well we can get perfect knowledge through cloning. And defects? not like i care. Nihilism aww yeah hehe, sorry to sound evil but i don't believe in that either.
Safety first? Sure, there will be safety precautions. But, if we followed that rationale we'd never find a disease to anything because everything requires testing. Thus, creating a flaw in your logic. See how it doesn't work? Unless you define what is safe and what isn't, you can't just say: "let's be safe!" because then you shun all of medical history.
And for the perfect human...let's go for it! hahaha 
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Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 12-23-2002 09:06 PM:
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Originally posted by Ladi Jay
so how can cloning people help find cure for cancer? Sure, they'll have the same DNA, genes, and what ever else, but will we use the clone to experiment on? I find the cloned person to be another human being... doesn't sound very appetizing! again, cloning people is just a way to make money and find oneself in public... it's dispicable (sp?)... I find it immoral and disgusting again, we are taking what we know a step too far into what we don't NEED but what we WANT... As of right now, it is illegal in the states to clone people, and it should stay that way... (should be illegal in other countries also) we do not know enough about DNA to do such a thing yet... there WILL be a defect in our outcome, maybe not the first couple times we do it, but it will occur some time later... we should think about safety first, if we want to create the super human with the ideological characteristics... I like nature and what it has done!!!
looks like someone needs to read up on cloning. Don't try to jump to conclusions until you know the topic inside and out, or are at least familiar with it. You jump to conclusions without knowing crap about this topic like Superman bounds over tall buildings.
Refer back to david's post.
btw. Morality is a dumb standard to argue with. Morality is all relative to oneself, and thus you can't apply to the greater world.__________________
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Posted by Alchemist on 12-23-2002 11:01 PM:
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Originally posted by Crazydeb8ter
Morality is a dumb standard to argue with. Morality is all relative to oneself, and thus you can't apply to the greater world.
You can learn this by playing Vice City. (Well, at least some people do.)
Posted by MasWusHot on 12-28-2002 07:10 PM:
wow everybody is making good points here and i am so confused haha i like this section because it really makes me think about my opinions and opens my mind more about what other people are thinkin lol just thought id share and im still a little undecided about the whole cloning thing so i dont wanna put my input in hehe
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