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Originally posted by tea
get more money and buy a german car =)
I don't even understsand what the hell your talking about, Prototype..
According to my uncle who works at Hyundai.. a Hyundai Verna 1.3 that cost 7,500,000 won would cost approximently 6,000 USD.
just make it simple as that.. dam.
and stop making stupid ass come backs... never have children.. phua!
tahts like something a middle school student would say.
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Originally posted by HyundaiWRC
I don't even understsand what the hell your talking about, Prototype..
According to my uncle who works at Hyundai.. a Hyundai Verna 1.3 that cost 7,500,000 won would cost approximently 6,000 USD.
just make it simple as that.. dam.
and stop making stupid ass come backs... never have children.. phua!
tahts like something a middle school student would say.
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Man, your the rudest korean i have ever met.. you call my uncle dumb.. thats just plane disrespect.
If you call my uncle dumb, then yoru parents are morons for having you born.
anyways.. yes it does.... What ever the value in Korea.. it will cost less in America.
Prototype what is your occupation.. My uncle is a Mechanical Engineer at Namyang.. probably makes more many than both ofr your dumbasss parents.
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Originally posted by HyundaiWRC
Man, your the rudest korean i have ever met.. you call my uncle dumb.. thats just plane disrespect.
If you call my uncle dumb, then yoru parents are morons for having you born.
anyways.. yes it does.... What ever the value in Korea.. it will cost less in America.
Prototype what is your occupation.. My uncle is a Mechanical Engineer at Namyang.. probably makes more many than both ofr your dumbasss parents.
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holy jesus this is hilarious. wrc i think you should give up. your running out of shitty lame excuses.
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what's a Hyundai Verna? if it's not sold in the US, how can we compare it's prices? compare the prices with something that's sold both in the US and Korea.
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Originally posted by HyundaiWRC
you call my uncle dumb.. thats just plane disrespect.
If you call my uncle dumb, then yoru parents are morons for having you born.
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just give up wrc.. just as you are passionate about korean cars.. there are those who are just as much or more passionate about hating them.
theres no point in arguing with them. its just all opinion.
i would like to say that 90 percent of threads i read on jsl are like "whats the point?" but keep creating threads about your opinon on cars, kimchee whatever..
if this thread gets out of hand creating more insults than the subject at hand i will close or delete it.
muchos gracias happy posting and arguing!!! d=D
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Originally posted by KeN VeRsUs RyU
just give up wrc.. just as you are passionate about korean cars.. there are those who are just as much or more passionate about hating them.
theres no point in arguing with them. its just all opinion.
i would like to say that 90 percent of threads i read on jsl are like "whats the point?" but keep creating threads about your opinon on cars, kimchee whatever..
if this thread gets out of hand creating more insults than the subject at hand i will close or delete it.
muchos gracias happy posting and arguing!!! d=D
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actually, prototype, you have a bit of misunderstanding here. when you exchange currency, there is more than the exchange rate involved. what's more important is inflation, the real value of the currency. a 1 dollar bill is equivalent to around 1200 won. yet, you can buy a lot more with the latter because the inflation is much lower in korea than america. likewise when korean car manufacturers make cars and export them to america, they have little need but to sell them extremely cheap, simply because a dollar there has a lot more worth than a dollar here. so yes, 4 dollars can in fact be worth more than 16 quarters in certain circumstances.
in a traditional sense, companies have little reason to inflate the value of their products as long as companies are able to post a profit in their board meetings. and believe me, hyundai is getting a lot more for their cars sold here than back in korea, where everything is cheap, cheap, cheap. so it's no problem for them to sell cars (in america) in what americans think is very cheap, because, as far as their concerned, its overpriced. so hyundaiwrc would be correct in this case. had hyundai been a japanese car company, whose yen is inflated more than the american dollar, cars from hyundai would have sold for a lot more in the american market.
all in all, in a business perspective hyundai undervalue their cars, which gives the average consumers a predisposed idea that hyundai cars are low quality. that's hardly justified, considering most people in korea drive a hyundai and have little problems with it. the company would have went bankrupted long before, the way some of you guys portray the company to be. aside from street rsx and hyundaiwrc, i wonder if anyone of you guys have had a direct experience with the quality of their cars. but you guys already seem to have this belief that they're low quality simply because you see them as under priced.
ehhhh. funny, considering this is coming from a person who has ABSOLUTELY NO interest in cars. heck, i don't know what a suspension is, if that is really in the car enthusiasts' vocabulary. but i do understand a thing or two about how inflation works, seeing that ive lived in four different countries. so spare the bashing please, im just an innocent bystander. really. ^__^;
ps. why are all of you so mean to hyundaiwrc?!!!
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Originally posted by jusunlee
actually, prototype, you have a bit of misunderstanding here. when you exchange currency, there is more than the exchange rate involved. what's more important is inflation, the real value of the currency. a 1 dollar bill is equivalent to around 1200 won. yet, you can buy a lot more with the latter because the inflation is much lower in korea than america. likewise when korean car manufacturers make cars and export them to america, they have little need but to sell them extremely cheap, simply because a dollar there has a lot more worth than a dollar here. so yes, 4 dollars can in fact be worth more than 16 quarters in certain circumstances.
in a traditional sense, companies have little reason to inflate the value of their products as long as companies are able to post a profit in their board meetings. and believe me, hyundai is getting a lot more for their cars sold here than back in korea, where everything is cheap, cheap, cheap. so it's no problem for them to sell cars (in america) in what americans think is very cheap, because, as far as their concerned, its overpriced. so hyundaiwrc would be correct in this case. had hyundai been a japanese car company, whose yen is inflated more than the american dollar, cars from hyundai would have sold for a lot more in the american market.
all in all, in a business perspective hyundai undervalue their cars, which gives the average consumers a predisposed idea that hyundai cars are low quality. that's hardly justified, considering most people in korea drive a hyundai and have little problems with it. the company would have went bankrupted long before, the way some of you guys portray the company to be. aside from street rsx and hyundaiwrc, i wonder if anyone of you guys have had a direct experience with the quality of their cars. but you guys already seem to have this belief that they're low quality simply because you see them as under priced.
ehhhh. funny, considering this is coming from a person who has ABSOLUTELY NO interest in cars. heck, i don't know what a suspension is, if that is really in the car enthusiasts' vocabulary. but i do understand a thing or two about how inflation works, seeing that ive lived in four different countries. so spare the bashing please, im just an innocent bystander. really. ^__^;
ps. why are all of you so mean to hyundaiwrc?!!!![]()
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Originally posted by Prototype
I take it you didnt really read the last posts.
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Originally posted by jusunlee
ps. why are all of you so mean to hyundaiwrc?!!!![]()
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sory, fo , nooot , speling, everi , singl, werd, wright.. I am not pearfecctt.
Prototype..,
i don't start shit... i just post to let people see that Hyundai is a good car company and gaining respect.
and fucking moron.. I am 19 and I am in the US Navy as a Engineer. an did a Internship in high sschool in Mechanical engineer. AND IT AIN'T NO SHITTY JOB. Namyang design studio i sone of the best in Asia. And you need to go to college for this job.. if you know what college is in your life.
mystiKnight
Hyundai Verna is the Hyundai Accent here. like the Hyundai Tuscani(Korea), Hyundai Coupe(Europe), Hyundai Tiburon(USA)
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Originally posted by Prototype
bah, jusun he started the beef. I'm just finishing it.
and inflation makes sense, but then when koreans sell cars to the american market, korean inflation doesnt apply.
because they are selling to the american market, the cost is 'inflated' like you said, because americans have higher standard wages than those of korea and thus we can afford to pay more for a car.
But then if you were to buy a car from korea and import it,you would find it would cost you even more.
and micron, everything you said just makes my stance stronger.
if the prices on korean cars is inflated by quite a bit for the american market, would they not be even cheaper if the prices werent inflated?
This is what I dont understand. sure labor costs in korea would be greatly reduced, but not enough to lower the price of a car by a significant amount.
materials bought my japan and korea would both be bought in the same places at the same price.
but a korean car is worth much less than a japanese car in the same class.
Why.
could it perhaps be craftsmanship?
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thanks guyz....for teaching me about carz and the market economy
keep up the good debating work
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Originally posted by -jzn-
Your explanation of disregarding the value of currency doesn't make sense. Have you ever noticed, since you say my japan how a simple bowl of noodles will cost over $10 sometimes? How is this explained? More money is made in japan, and thus there can be more money exchanged freely. I believe that tokyo has the most value in the world per-square-foot. It's about the value of the currency exchanged.
Let's say that in Korea, you could buy a shirt for 5 USD. In the US, the price for the same shirt would be 10 USD, and in Japan the shirt would be 15 USD. That's my understanding of what jusun is trying to say. You're shifting the argument to something that you can win by saying that importing a car from korea would cost you more money. You can be darn sure that importing a car from Japan would cost more money too.
Also, you try to tag craftsmanship as the reason for the low prices on hyundais, yet you forget to mention companies like Mitsubishi who have absolutely horrible records of quality control.
Sure, companies like Honda, Toyota and Subaru have all proven their quality over time. I have actually seen an Impreza sold even though it had over 210k miles on it. The fact of the matter is that these companies have already been rated with a high residual value. Hyundai can't compete with that because of their past track record with the excels and the ponys. Consumers WILL NOT buy a car that will lose over half its value in 1.5x the time of a honda/toyota unless they are given a lower price to lose from.
One last thing... if the manufacturing craftsmanship of japanese automakers are so great, please tell me why they won't extend their warantees to match Hyundai. Honda has recalled over 1.2 million cars for bad trannies. Hyundai is proving with their warantee that they have made vast improvements in the quality of their vehicles.
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Originally posted by ryosuke
All I can say is that if he closes the thread... I reopen it or move it. Plain and simple.
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