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Posted by niggoreanboi on 12-31-2003 08:50 PM:

lets all hold hands and get along maybe sing a song

Posted by GinaDaQueen on 12-31-2003 09:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Crazydeb8ter
I disagree. Though I speak for myself, I am fairly confident that I share the same sentiments as the other dissidents in saying that this had nothing to do with post count.

OK, then what was the point of replying "Who cares" to a thread. That's an insult to the person who created the thread that his/her topic was not interesting and just plain rude. I wouldn't have said anything if you disagreed with what the original poster posted, but you didn't even do that, you said "who cares".

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Posted by niggoreanboi on 12-31-2003 09:22 PM:

can we all drop this

Posted by ajy on 01-01-2004 03:06 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by MasWusHot
ur too uptight..people disagree with peoples threads all the time. just because its urs doesnt make it any different...sure its random thoughts, but that doesnt mean that neone who replies to ur thread has to understand what ur saying..seeing as how its random thoughts..im sure theres a lot of things people randomly say that other people just wont understand .. loosen up and stop being so defensive...if it bothers u that much that people dont understand why it "gets" to u that kids are turning 13...then dont post nething where lots of people are going to read it

i love you, ill keep you happy while your freakshow boyfriend is gone for half a year

Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 01-01-2004 06:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GinaDaQueen
OK, then what was the point of replying "Who cares" to a thread. That's an insult to the person who created the thread that his/her topic was not interesting and just plain rude. I wouldn't have said anything if you disagreed with what the original poster posted, but you didn't even do that, you said "who cares".

because it's a more succinct way to say that it was a moot observation.

Anyhow I didn't think it was rude - it certainly was not nice, but in my opinion it was not rude- and no part of the initial response had an malicious implication.

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Posted by MasWusHot on 01-01-2004 06:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ajy
i love you, ill keep you happy while your freakshow boyfriend is gone for half a year

haha

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Posted by UGNUSEYH on 01-01-2004 07:53 AM:

well this has nothing to do with the topic but I think your hot susan!!

Posted by castle outsider on 01-01-2004 11:57 AM:

im so tired

Posted by MellowYellow on 01-01-2004 07:42 PM:

I said this to alex a couple of days ago:

I DIDN'T have a problem with what ajy said.

I DIDN'T have a problem with what maswushot FIRST said.

HOWEVER...

I DID have a problem with what crazyde8ter FIRST said. everything he says, he says with such confidence (nothing wrong with that but) that seems to give off an air of "i'm always right so if anyone challenges my opinion, I'LL KILL YOU with my mad "debating" skills".

Obviously victor... some people DO care. (Ginadaqueen and Ken versus Ryu know what i'm talking about for both the topic at hand and what it sprouted into)

I AM getting older and that's why passing over the 1990 generation of teenagers just got to me... got me thinking. I need to get my act together and stop whittiling my time away here (online). -_- I'm not the 15 year old who can spend hours on end online and go out and mess around BUT.. I'm not the 25 year old who has the space (probably already out of college, have some sort of job...) to do so.

Something to think about in the new year when I'll be going off to college and graduating from the comfy lifestyle.

PLUS wtf... a 13 year old with 2 kids and she looked like she was 25 (and not a good one... the cigs/alchohol got to her). I never knew of things like that when I was 13. hmm.

Posted by PsychoSnowman on 01-01-2004 09:03 PM:

I would say something like this should go on a case by case situation. There have been about the same people on these forums for quite some time, by now most of us know what we should and should not say to other people if we are going to look out for the better interest of not creating turmoil. But if anyone does not care about creating turmoil, then ignore that.

I hold my tongue to people all the time, in real life i mean...not online. I am sure many people do that on these forums. I am just speculating, but it seems as if a lot of people do not extend that to online talking, especially since we all do not personally know each other. I do not like the idea of never having comments like "who cares" on a forum. I appreciate the negative comments and the ones that disagree most often because it gives us something more to talk about...but if you know it is going to get under a particular person's skin, then i would say it would be wise not to say it.

I do not like the idea of "if you have nothing to say, then do not say anythign at all" as kenvsryu and ginadaqueen talked about. I think it is akin to a time-out for little kids. And, i do not think this forum should be treated as such. I would like to simply ask everyone to calm down, but i guess that will not happen. So, i would just say do it case by case. If you know someone is going to be upset about something, do not say it if you do not want turmoil (if you do want turmoil then this is irrelevent). If you nkow the person would not mind, then go ahead. The same rules that i would think people follow in real life. Also, people can apologize for things they have said on here you know. I cannot remember the last time i have seen an apology on here. I admit i have made my fair share of mistakes in that same respect, but it does not mean i cannot learn from it and preach it.

On the post count issue ginadaqueen brought up...i thought we all solved that a long time ago, and realized, or maybe just i did, that it does not really matter in the end and no one really does care. We are not a community of prepubescent teeny boppers who want to fit in for the most part. Most do not care to be cool, or whatever by reaching their post count dreams.

Furthermore, i am tired of people getting upset about people who bash people who use, on average, a higher rhetoric in their posts. Not just a higher rhetoric i suppose it is not just...but it seems to come down to several factors that make people think this way...word choice, length of posts, style of responding to other posts...people get upset about it. I especially say the use of a higher rhetoric because people always seem to get offended by it, and feel the urge to tell someone to "stop trying to impress" whomever they decide it to be. Susan, i think you say more for victor than he does or meant to. Look at the words you used,...i am sure you have realized this all ready though, but you said he "seems" to give off that air. This is online, how are you going to succesfully demark a tone or attitude of a person online? And, you could say - if you wanted i suppose - with victor it is obvious, or that it is easier to figure out his attitude/tone, but then i would say that even if he were to seem like that sometimes...that attitude does not emmanate in every single one of his posts (from reception "hello[s]" to the debate forum arguments). I think overall...you construct a character for victor, and carry that persona of victor to every one of his posts. And, even if your depiction of him is true, i do not understand why you have a problem with it. People are people.

What is really wrong with thinking someone is always right? Can someone please answer this, i think if you do not have a reason, you shoudl not be mad, and if you do not have a reason, it is probably jealousy that would be the underlying reason. Why does it matter if people think they are better than others, why does it matter if peopel think they are right, why does it matter if people debated in high school? What about his attitude of "KILL[ing] YOU with [his] mad debating skills" is so offensive? Why can no one be proud of the person they have become...are we all going to go around frowning at all traces of lack of modesty? Do we need to lie about how good one may be, or how sweet they have grown to become in regards to whatever?...just so people do not get upset? I mean i understand if he was treating people as if they are inferior or something to that effect, but he just responds bluntly and to the point, people infer the rest and get pissed. And, i would like to finalize this section by saying victor probably does not think he is better than everyone else. I know people are thinking that because people have told me that before, and i did not like the accusation.

Maybe some advice that would help out here is that everyone...just because you do somethign does not mean anyone, or everyone, else will. As Ginadaqueen says: "I wouldn't have said anything if you disagreed with what the original poster posted." I mean...ok, good job, and good for you. But, are you going to punish people who do not abide to your line of thinking? People have different ethical values, different morals, different definitions of what is rude, what is appropriate to say to someone, etc. Can we not accept other's differences? I mean, if they had the exact same ettiquette code you had and they broke it or something, then i guess you could have reason to be upset, but you guys are on different fields. Of course, "[he] did not even do that" (not say anythign that is when he disagreed with the initial poster's idea), why would he? He is not you.

Yeah, and even though Seon Ho (Krnxswat) was the one to say it...no matter how hypocritical it is coming from his mouth, i do not think that should take away the validity of what he said. I do not agree with him in this instance, but i was just making a point to say that, hypocritical or not,...advice is advice.

-edit- heh, you are too kind victor. I honestly prefer your wording, and the blood-thirsty intellectual comment is something i am glad you brought up...i have never been a fan of that accusation.

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Posted by Crazydeb8ter on 01-01-2004 09:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MellowYellow
Ieverything he says, he says with such confidence (nothing wrong with that but) that seems to give off an air of "i'm always right so if anyone challenges my opinion, I'LL KILL YOU with my mad "debating" skills".

well if it has gotten to the point where you are so intimidated that you automatically judge my posts as to convey the feeling of the end all be all of discussion, then I believe that you have to change whatever presumptions you have of my replies. I do not "kill" anyone with my "debating skills." Sure, I get into a lot of arguments, but I don't attempt to stifle anyone from expressing their points of view, nor do I have such an egotistical opinion of myself that I assume that I am automatically right all the time. Your expectations predicate that I am something like a blood-thirsty intellectual waiting for the next chance to prove myself superior to everyone else (we can also look at the "debate is your life" line). If that is so, again, stop drawing upon any preconceived notions of my motivations and look at the post for what it is face-value.
[edit] damnit david, you took the words right out of my mouth and delivered them better. again.

Again, I'll admit that it wasn't the nicest thing to say, but it certainly does not merit a huge discussion on a person's character. The post was not malicious, and 'who cares' is something that friends say to each other all the time. If the environment in this forum is so uptight that we cannot even relax enough to accept certain neutral comments without blowing up into a controversy, then yes, the forum does need a change.

Posted by Mash1mar0 on 01-01-2004 09:53 PM:

well.... im not agreeing with any of you guys... i don't wanna get bashed for my stupid opinion ^_^;;
i think all of you guys are right... this is random thought and susan posted her thought, she can post wutever she wants and wutever she thinks... i mean is there any rule about wut people can post and wut people can't post?... and also crazyd8ter (victor is it?) has right to post replies about wut he thinks about this topic... and there's always people who agrees with you or disagree with you... or people who think it is good idea or people who think it's dumb idea
and people also have bad habbit of taking someone else's words in anyway they want to...
jus' remember this you guys have every right to post wut you guys think but before you post it also think about how it might effect someone else... there's people who don't care about wut other people think, and there's also people who care about everything wut other people say (overly sensitive?)

im really sorry to say this but whenever i read crazyd8ter and psychosnowman's posts sometimes i get the impression that you guys are always right and others are wrong... it's not like there's anything wrong with that... it's great that you guys have confident(those are the people who'd make something outta themselves) but you know people make a lot of mistakes and once in a while you can jus' let go of one or two things... hahaha im sure i'll hear some shit from you guys now huh?

p.s: at least she posted wut she thought about it... not like someone got drunk and post some stuff that they don't even remember... or talking about taking shit in the bathroom

i have no idea wut i typed... heh... i think im still rolling and being a fob ain't helping much either

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Posted by MellowYellow on 01-01-2004 10:21 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
i am sure you have realized this all ready though, but you said he "seems" to give off that air. This is online, how are you going to succesfully demark a tone or attitude of a person online?

What is really wrong with thinking someone is always right? Can someone please answer this, i think if you do not have a reason, you shoudl not be mad, and if you do not have a reason, it is probably jealousy that would be the underlying reason.

What you say shows just as much attitude and personality about a person as "how" you say it. When you read a novel it's the same way. Are you saying that authors of books don't give off a tone a mood a personality an air of WHATEVER because they're not reading it TO you?

I never said it was wrong. I said I had a problem with it. I can have problems with things. How is that wrong? "People are people". I am a person... I think I'm allowed to be have problems with certain things. And victor is too so I told him and he told me. " You're just jealous" is basically what you said.. WOW. Alright then. I thought I heard that line only from my 5/6 year olds. And there actually could be... something wrong with someone thinking they're always right but... nevermind that. Back.. on topic shall we?

PS. We should all bow down to IRIS. lol. She's the smartest one.

Posted by Alchemist on 01-01-2004 10:39 PM:

Edit: Nevermind

Posted by PsychoSnowman on 01-01-2004 10:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MellowYellow
What you say shows just as much attitude and personality about a person as "how" you say it. When you read a novel it's the same way. Are you saying that authors of books don't give off a tone a mood a personality an air of WHATEVER because they're not reading it TO you?

I never said it was wrong. I said I had a problem with it. I can have problems with things. How is that wrong? "People are people". I am a person... I think I'm allowed to be have problems with certain things. And victor is too so I told him and he told me. " You're just jealous" is basically what you said.. WOW. Alright then. I thought I heard that line only from my 5/6 year olds. And there actually could be... something wrong with someone thinking they're always right but... nevermind that. Back.. on topic shall we?

PS. We should all bow down to IRIS. lol. She's the smartest one.

Granted, tone is always portrayed. I was saying i think you bring in what you perceived victor's tone to be in areas where it is not presented that way. I do not think victor's first post portrayed that arrogant tone at all. But, if you truly do think that post alone, by itself, did - then by all means, have your own opinion. I was just saying it seemed like you were doing that because i did not get that vibe at all, when we look at it isolatory from all of his previous posts.

i used a bad word, i meant, what is your problem with people having that attitude, and what is bad about it? What makes it get under your skin and post like you did in this thread?

I said it was probably jealousy, not definitively. And, even though your 5/6 year olds say that, that does not mean they are never right. Brushing that small idea on that basis of that does not seem so optimal to me. I am not saying "you're just jealous". I am saying, if you do not have a reason why you do not like it, then i said there may be a hint of jealousy, speculation it all is, so i would not take it so terribly, but you are not me. If it is not jealousy, and you have another reason, simply say it. Even though i said that does not mean i think anyone is jealous of anyone, i just threw it out there.

You are allowed to have problems with things, rather i think any sense of anything being allowed is illusory, but...i just would like to know why you have a problem with it.

Sorry for my lazy and bad word choice.("wrong").

Posted by niggoreanboi on 01-01-2004 11:43 PM:

where is the love

Posted by kiggaplease on 01-02-2004 02:26 AM:

as John Mayer sings, "Oh if only my life was more like 1983"

Posted by castle outsider on 01-02-2004 08:43 AM:

holy shit..essays in here

Posted by KeN VeRsUs RyU on 01-03-2004 12:32 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mash1mar0
im really sorry to say this but whenever i read crazyd8ter and psychosnowman's posts sometimes i get the impression that you guys are always right and others are wrong... ?

speaking in an eloquant manner in proper english while using all the damn words in the dictionary does not mean they're always right. Just remember that everybody.

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Posted by MasWusHot on 01-03-2004 12:38 AM:

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Originally posted by KeN VeRsUs RyU
speaking in an eloquant manner in proper english while using all the damn words in the dictionary does not mean they're always right. Just remember that everybody.

yeah but it still seems like they think about what they say before they say it and come up with good points about it .. and usually are right
[edit] like..i think they could do that even if they didnt use big words and shit just cuz .. their smart, lol

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