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Posted by micron on 04-29-2003 06:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
I'm sure you realize this, but this is the second time i've seen you say this. Especially after the poststructuralism blip you wrote in the spiritual life forum (or maybe i confused you talking about it with you advocating it when you really don't...?). Anyway, sure...it can make them cooler. It makes them feel cooler to say such things, just becuase you do not think so that doesn't suddenly make that the correct interpretation of what is cool and what is not. Cool is not something to realize, the interpretation of the word is immanent, not fixed. We can't ever know what is cool, but we can accept that other people consider different things to be cool. It is unwise to say such things. You're statement devalidizes and delegitimizes all other viewpoints, and i think it's a mistake to contradict a poststructuralist stance becuase then we live myopically and never open ourselves to other interpretations and methodologies of living...constantly remaining where we are and never progress as a result. In the perspectivist words of Nietzsche: "it makes stupid."

Hmm hope i didn't contradict myself somewhere in there, hate it when that happens.
yes youre correct, i never advocated for poststructuralism, but because it seemed so, i will defend myself as a poststructuralist.

im sure you know this already, but let me sum it up for reference sake, also so that you know why i saw the story in the other thread as an example of poststructuralism, and that i know we have the same definition of it (poststructuralism as you may already know is loosly defined, so different definitions are entirely plausible). poststructuralism is a postmodern outlook, celebrating fragmentation, discontinuity, and incoherence of ideas. in the postmodern world, absolute truths cease to exists, only replicas that are understood by its relationship with its surroundings. for example, for one to define "light", "dark" must first be identified. hence, because of the deconstruction of meaning, in the postmodern world there is no rational way to evaluate judgments - of truth, morality, or objectivity - but through the illusion of fabricated binary opposition of the words. this idea, poststructuralism, suggests that language in itself has no meaning - the meaning derived only comes from the experience that one may refer to.

that said, even speech itself would be didatical. for example, a simple "here i am" is structural, because definition to those individual words are assumed. hence, because the medium we use to communicate and set forth its ideas, language itself, is the groundwork of structuralism, poststructuralism is inherently self-contradictory.

now, going back to your interpretation of nietzsche's statement, "it makes stupid", yes, it may very well be true. its an outcome of the limitation set forth by language, and for you to advocate for what you did would put to at the same light (therefore making you contradict yourself). to sum up, in a poststructuralist world, no one is ever correct, not you, not i.

Posted by requiem on 04-29-2003 11:32 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jusunlee
yes youre correct, i never advocated for poststructuralism, but because it seemed so, i will defend myself as a poststructuralist.

im sure you know this already, but let me sum it up for reference sake, also so that you know why i saw the story in the other thread as an example of poststructuralism, and that i know we have the same definition of it (poststructuralism as you may already know is loosly defined, so different definitions are entirely plausible). poststructuralism is a postmodern outlook, celebrating fragmentation, discontinuity, and incoherence of ideas. in the postmodern world, absolute truths cease to exists, only replicas that are understood by its relationship with its surroundings. for example, for one to define "light", "dark" must first be identified. hence, because of the deconstruction of meaning, in the postmodern world there is no rational way to evaluate judgments - of truth, morality, or objectivity - but through the illusion of fabricated binary opposition of the words. this idea, poststructuralism, suggests that language in itself has no meaning - the meaning derived only comes from the experience that one may refer to.

that said, even speech itself would be didatical. for example, a simple "here i am" is structural, because definition to those individual words are assumed. hence, because the medium we use to communicate and set forth its ideas, language itself, is the groundwork of structuralism, poststructuralism is inherently self-contradictory.

now, going back to your interpretation of nietzsche's statement, "it makes stupid", yes, it may very well be true. its an outcome of the limitation set forth by language, and for you to advocate for what you did would put to at the same light (therefore making you contradict yourself). to sum up, in a poststructuralist world, no one is ever correct, not you, not i.


The great thing about poststructuralism is that all anyone has to say to anything is that they interpret the words differently and that is why they disagree on something. Seems like a copout to me but to each his own. I don't make the rules of poststructuralism or whatever. I try my best to avoid falling peril to them, which requires a formidable ability to use the language at hand readily to explain all points of any issue and transcend the audience's inability to relate directly to what I'm discussing with regards to my experiences. It's a tough job, and essentially I'll never make anyone completely aware, but I'll be damned if I don't try.

If you don't understand the meaning in this post because of "poststructuralism" (no pun intended ha ha ha), well quite frankly that sucks for you.

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Posted by PsychoSnowman on 05-01-2003 02:27 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jusunlee
yes youre correct, i never advocated for poststructuralism, but because it seemed so, i will defend myself as a poststructuralist.

im sure you know this already, but let me sum it up for reference sake, also so that you know why i saw the story in the other thread as an example of poststructuralism, and that i know we have the same definition of it (poststructuralism as you may already know is loosly defined, so different definitions are entirely plausible). poststructuralism is a postmodern outlook, celebrating fragmentation, discontinuity, and incoherence of ideas. in the postmodern world, absolute truths cease to exists, only replicas that are understood by its relationship with its surroundings. for example, for one to define "light", "dark" must first be identified. hence, because of the deconstruction of meaning, in the postmodern world there is no rational way to evaluate judgments - of truth, morality, or objectivity - but through the illusion of fabricated binary opposition of the words. this idea, poststructuralism, suggests that language in itself has no meaning - the meaning derived only comes from the experience that one may refer to.

that said, even speech itself would be didatical. for example, a simple "here i am" is structural, because definition to those individual words are assumed. hence, because the medium we use to communicate and set forth its ideas, language itself, is the groundwork of structuralism, poststructuralism is inherently self-contradictory.

now, going back to your interpretation of nietzsche's statement, "it makes stupid", yes, it may very well be true. its an outcome of the limitation set forth by language, and for you to advocate for what you did would put to at the same light (therefore making you contradict yourself). to sum up, in a poststructuralist world, no one is ever correct, not you, not i.


all right, my only point was that you were advocating poststructuralism and seemingly contradicted yourself by saying something is not cool by what you thought...but, now that you've made it clear that you don't advocate poststructuralism, i agree with everything you said. No contradiciton, no argument

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Posted by †ìÿgü on 05-06-2003 08:41 PM:

retarded idea

it's not necessary for a jsl ftp area. Whoever wants Kpop, videos, whatever can get it through other channels. Why risk getting jsl into legal trouble? I think the net's pretty prolifferated with Kpop, porn, and other crap as it is.

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Posted by ajy on 05-06-2003 09:08 PM:

Re: retarded idea

quote:
Originally posted by †ìÿgü
it's not necessary for a jsl ftp area. Whoever wants Kpop, videos, whatever can get it through other channels. Why risk getting jsl into legal trouble? I think the net's pretty prolifferated with Kpop, porn, and other crap as it is.


really, who are you to judge the content of the internet? Are you the mother of the internet and the people who use it, so YOU know when people can see what YOU want them to see or not see.

Posted by Alchemist on 05-06-2003 10:40 PM:

Re: Re: retarded idea

quote:
Originally posted by AjY 2k
really, who are you to judge the content of the internet? Are you the mother of the internet and the people who use it, so YOU know when people can see what YOU want them to see or not see.


It's the S3, RUN!!!!!

Posted by †ìÿgü on 05-07-2003 09:45 AM:

Re: Re: retarded idea

quote:
Originally posted by AjY 2k
really, who are you to judge the content of the internet? Are you the mother of the internet and the people who use it, so YOU know when people can see what YOU want them to see or not see.


Yeah that's right, I'm the mutha of the internet. Yeah I've got secret magical powers to see all. No I'm not judging content, just a useless and pathetic idea that is a potential liability. Of course, your names attached to it. Big suprise there.

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Posted by Alchemist on 05-08-2003 02:23 AM:

Re: Re: Re: retarded idea

quote:
Originally posted by †ìÿgü
Yeah that's right, I'm the mutha of the internet. Yeah I've got secret magical powers to see all. No I'm not judging content, just a useless and pathetic idea that is a potential liability. Of course, your names attached to it. Big suprise there.


Oh I see how it is Mr. "I'm creating context" dude, it's evolution and not censorship uh huh...

Posted by kryogenix on 05-08-2003 07:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by AZN Pinoy BOI
um... ok.... it's not like ur the best person in da world cuza u know it.. and i'm the stupidist cuz i don't... i bet alot of da peepz on here don't know how to use it either so stop trying to look cool and shut ur frickin mouth

about ur jsl.com thing, andrew already talked about it

i never claimed to be cool, i never called you stupid. it was your assumptions. so screw you too!!!! just kidding ted.

Posted by screwyou4 on 05-09-2003 08:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by kryogenix
i never claimed to be cool, i never called you stupid. it was your assumptions. so screw you too!!!! just kidding ted.


your a little pussy who has to appologize after he gets owned, town bitch

Posted by screwyou3 on 05-09-2003 08:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by kryogenix
i never claimed to be cool
o well, if you had, i woulda had something more to make fun of you for.

Posted by PsychoSnowman on 05-09-2003 10:03 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: retarded idea

quote:
Originally posted by Alchemist
Oh I see how it is Mr. "I'm creating context" dude, it's evolution and not censorship uh huh...


hahaha . for real.

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