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Originally posted by MasWusHot
What if u were raped and got pregnant? Say u were like 14...should u have the kid without a father and not being at all ready emotionally for dealing with a nine month pregnancy and then giving birth to the baby i mean 14 is still a child i dunno just wondering if opinions change or not for this scenario
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Originally posted by Alchemist
Oh ok, as for a religious viewpoint, during 4th grade a CCD teacher repeatedly told us that abortion was murder.
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Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
is it somehow not?
quote:
Originally posted by MasWusHot
What if u were raped and got pregnant? Say u were like 14...should u have the kid without a father and not being at all ready emotionally for dealing with a nine month pregnancy and then giving birth to the baby i mean 14 is still a child i dunno just wondering if opinions change or not for this scenario
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Originally posted by Alchemist
Maybe
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quote:well... from a strickly christian pov, you are killing a human being because it states in the bible that life and soul enter the body at the moment of conception... soo to me... it is absolutely NOT okay... it is never right to take a life, whether it has or has not reached full conciousness...
Originally posted by niggoreanboi
i think aborion is ok because you not killing a human yet because it isn't in that stage; yes, within a couple months it can become a living hman being but not in the abortion stage...
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Originally posted by TyGer STyLe
if you really wanted to prevent the pregnancy you could have prevented it...
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quote:how isn't it true? if you wanted to prevent a pregnancy you should have been smart about it... even if a condom breaks im sure you could have scrapped enough cash for a morning after pill, the only way you could let a pregnancy happen if your really ignorant or really stupid...
Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
you know that's not true.
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Originally posted by TyGer STyLe
how isn't it true? if you wanted to prevent a pregnancy you should have been smart about it... even if a condom breaks im sure you could have scrapped enough cash for a morning after pill, the only way you could let a pregnancy happen if your really ignorant or really stupid...
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quote:okay prehaps i was being too broad as to say what i meant was 100% full proof, but when contraceptive and pills and such are used together the chances are greatly reduced, your picking out too many facts and such... if people just simply used two or more perhaps we could greatly reduce unwanted pregnancies... all in all abortions CAN be avoided if you used some of your head instead of the head between your leg ... i mean... for those who can afford the pill thumbs up to you, you make the world a bit of a better place, even if the pills should fail if you have the money to buy the b.c. pill, im sure you could get someone to help you out with the morning after pill... i mean the morning after pill ain't even all that expensive... shoot it goes for $24.99 at www.getthepill.com im sure you could find a resonably priced pill at pharmacies and such... i mean its MUCH cheaper then an abortion... don't you think this way of avoiding a pregnancy is much easier then killing a LIVING human being? i mean the chances of pregnancy after taking the morning after pill are greatly reduced from 75-89% if taken within a 72 hour period... now tell me... if you couldn't scrounge enough money within a 72 hour period... thats pretty bad... you must be poor and homeless... i mean there are even places where you can RECIEVE FOR FREE a morning after pill... ie planned parenthood...
Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
the morning after pill, or emergency contraceptive, isn't 100% fool proof. Even if you take that you couldn't have prevented it fully. Abstinence wouldn't work in the case of being raped, condoms don't always work, birth control doesn't always work. Nothing works perfectly. And, everyone can just "scrap together enoguh cash" for the pill? That's not feasible, it's idealistic. Everyone can't do that and you know it. They can't all get a loan or whatever it will take, especially if you aren't even a citizen here. The possiblities go on. The only way you could let a pregnancy happen is if one of these contraceptives fail...and that happens.
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Originally posted by TyGer STyLe
okay prehaps i was being too broad as to say what i meant was 100% full proof, but when contraceptive and pills and such are used together the chances are greatly reduced, your picking out too many facts and such...
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if people just simply used two or more perhaps we could greatly reduce unwanted pregnancies... all in all abortions CAN be avoided if you used some of your head instead of the head between your leg
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... i mean... for those who can afford the pill thumbs up to you, you make the world a bit of a better place, even if the pills should fail if you have the money to buy the b.c. pill, im sure you could get someone to help you out with the morning after pill... i mean the morning after pill ain't even all that expensive... shoot it goes for $24.99 at www.getthepill.com im sure you could find a resonably priced pill at pharmacies and such... i mean its MUCH cheaper then an abortion... don't you think this way of avoiding a pregnancy is much easier then killing a LIVING human being? i mean the chances of pregnancy after taking the morning after pill are greatly reduced from 75-89% if taken within a 72 hour period
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... now tell me... if you couldn't scrounge enough money within a 72 hour period... thats pretty bad... you must be poor and homeless... i mean there are even places where you can RECIEVE FOR FREE a morning after pill... ie planned parenthood...
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all im saying... if you even put some effort or some ammount of fear just happened to enter your brain you would figure this out and somehow find an alternative instead of killing an unborn baby? i mean seriously now... either those people seriously have no money at all or they use MUCH less of their brain then the average human being...
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seriously now... don't tell me you couldn't at all have prevented a pregnancy... if you just TRIED you could have prevented it...
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if everyone just did this... we could GREATLY reduce the ammount of unwanted pregnancies... even so... in my own personal opinion, abortions shouldn't even be an option... afterall... there is adoption... still i do understand the rape stand point... best chances is take the morning after pill and hope for the best...
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Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
I'm not picking out too many facts, you're being too idealistic. It's what happens when you start to think outside of an idealist world though, seriously, i'm not trying to be mean but you facts have to come into play when you start to deal with something like this, especially with your offensive boast that you still advocate.
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Sure, not always.
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We weren't talking about abortion vs. contraception, we were talking about how unwanted pregnancies just flat out CANNOT be avoided outside of an idealist world. Your words show where you go wrong, you say "chances of pregnancy after taking the morning after pill are greatly reduced from 75-89%". There it is, chance, there still exists a chance here and you know it. It's not fool proof and no i'm not picking apart too many facts, i'm being real about this and you aren't. Not everyone is in teh middle or upper class you know. You think 24.99 is cheap? Pshh, no way, that is expensive especially when you have a familiy to feed, or whatever other circumstances would incur.
Doesn't matter if it's cheaper than an abortion, despite the title of the thread we aren't debating that right now,...we aren't even talking about that at all...we're talking about how it's too idealistic to say that "if you really wanted to prevent it, you could have" or whatever you said. Cause it's simply not true. Of course it's cheaper than an abortion, but in this case despite the title of the thread...it's completely irrelevant because there isn't any clash.
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what are you saying? that is so mean, i can't believe you just said that. Exactly what is wrong with being poor? is that all of a sudden "pretty bad"? I'd like to hear you tell a homeless person that. Ugh...
Anyway despite my disgust for what you just said, there is still a valid point you make here that i've been advocating. It's that not everyone can get enough money for it. Therefore, logically we could deduce that not everyone can stop unwanted pregnancies.
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And, there it is again, if someone doesn't have money how could they have prevented it? Exactly, the couldn't have. (refer to my other post for scenarios of this).
Ok, they use much less of their brain than the average human...let's all bash the mentally challenged.
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Again, you should know that's not true. Trying isn't good enough sometimes, especially in the cases i've described. Furthermore if i apply your logic from above, if the person doesn't use their brain enough it wouldn't matter how hard they tried...they wouldn't be able to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. Their attempts would be useless because they were "dumb."
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Yes, best CHANCES and HOPE. not 100% is it? And sometimes not even an option.
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quote:so paying hundreds of dollars on an abortion is a better solution?? common...
Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
You think 24.99 is cheap? Pshh, no way,
quote:now your putting words in my mouth... never meant that by what i said at all...
what are you saying? that is so mean, i can't believe you just said that. Exactly what is wrong with being poor? is that all of a sudden "pretty bad"? I'd like to hear you tell a homeless person that. Ugh...
quote:i was never refering to the mentally challenged... do you not pick up on sarcasm at all? maybe i should put (SARCASM) after all those statements eh? jeez...
Ok, they use much less of their brain than the average human...let's all bash the mentally challenged
quote:what im pointing out is that what your describing isn't the vast majority of reasons why abortions happen! if you tackled the vast majority of the problem (which CAN be prevented by what i described) and THEN handled the small minority that your talking about y don't you bring what im saying down... let me repeat in a different way... TAKE CARE OF THE BIG PROBLEM BEFORE HANDLING WHAT CANNOT AT ALL BE PREVENTED...
Again, you should know that's not true. Trying isn't good enough sometimes, especially in the cases i've described. Furthermore if i apply your logic from above, if the person doesn't use their brain enough it wouldn't matter how hard they tried...they wouldn't be able to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. Their attempts would be useless because they were "dumb."
quote:gimme one thing in the world that is 100%... yah... i didn't think so...
Yes, best CHANCES and HOPE. not 100% is it? And sometimes not even an option.
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Originally posted by TyGer STyLe
perhaps what i maybe saying is idealistic, but im not saying there won't be unwanted pregnancies that can't be avoid... im just saying MANY of the unwanted pregnancies that end up in abortion COULD have been avoid if preventative measure were taken... must i repeat that again or do you have to call me idealistic again?
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i've been thinking a bit...and now i think abortion is wrong (from a christian point of view - i dunno about other religions). in the Bible it says that God made each and everyone of us and that he had everything planned out ...
I knew you even before you were conceived…Jeremiah 1:4-5
I knit you together in your mother's womb…Psalm 139:13
then...killing the baby would be like murder because you're killing something that God created...and you never know what you could be killing. i read somewhere....this woman had a lot of kids and they all had problems (one was deaf, two were blind, one was mentally challenged, etc etc etc). now she's going to have another baby. should she abort it? if you said yes, you would have killed mozart. *it was something like that, i don't remember exactly* anyway, i believe my views on abortion have changed
quote:sure bub... but i never switched my advocacy... you misinterpreted my stand point in the first place psh... geez... just cuz you didn't pick up on my sarcasm doesn't mean other people didn't... dont' speak for the rest... i kinda made it obvious by making a crack by saying... "instead of using the head between your legs" i thought that was kinda obvious don't you think? so please don't bash on the way i lay out what i say... stick to your facts... and don't point out what you think is bad usage of language that is pointless to point out because it doesn't advance your own point... (if that makes sense... hah) oh well... besides...
Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
no you weren't saying that haha, now that you've shifted your advocacy to my side there's nothing left to talk about. Thank you.
Refer to my other posts for answers to everything you've just said. I'm not putting words in your mouth, you are very unclear in what you say as i'm still lost as to what you mean. I don't see why you get mad about people not picking up on your poorly layed out sarcasm, i'm rereading that sentence and i still don't see it. It's online, how obvious can it be? Don't get mad haha. Furthermore, you're last paragraph is far from objective.
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Originally posted by TyGer STyLe
sure bub... but i never switched my advocacy... you misinterpreted my stand point in the first place psh... geez... just cuz you didn't pick up on my sarcasm doesn't mean other people didn't... dont' speak for the rest... i kinda made it obvious by making a crack by saying... "instead of using the head between your legs" i thought that was kinda obvious don't you think? so please don't bash on the way i lay out what i say... stick to your facts... and don't point out what you think is bad usage of language that is pointless to point out because it doesn't advance your own point... (if that makes sense... hah) oh well... besides...
IMHO... abortion is wrong... and is VERY MUCH avoidable... freakin repeating myself for the 3rd dang time... purely because i am christian, and I BELIEVE THAT IT IS VERY AVOIDABLE IN VERY MANY CASES... geez... its so hard to please some people...
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Originally posted by TyGer STyLe
all im saying... if you even put some effort or some ammount of fear just happened to enter your brain you would figure this out and somehow find an alternative instead of killing an unborn baby? i mean seriously now... either those people seriously have no money at all or they use MUCH less of their brain then the average human being...
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Originally posted by TyGer STyLe
gimme one thing in the world that is 100%... yah... i didn't think so...
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Originally posted by TyGer STyLe
sure bub... but i never switched my advocacy... you misinterpreted my stand point in the first place psh... geez... just cuz you didn't pick up on my sarcasm doesn't mean other people didn't... dont' speak for the rest... i kinda made it obvious by making a crack by saying... "instead of using the head between your legs" i thought that was kinda obvious don't you think? so please don't bash on the way i lay out what i say... stick to your facts... and don't point out what you think is bad usage of language that is pointless to point out because it doesn't advance your own point... (if that makes sense... hah) oh well... besides...
IMHO... abortion is wrong... and is VERY MUCH avoidable... freakin repeating myself for the 3rd dang time... purely because i am christian, and I BELIEVE THAT IT IS VERY AVOIDABLE IN VERY MANY CASES... geez... its so hard to please some people...
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rather they reflect nothing more than a response of insight
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"Those womyn that seek equality with men, lack determination."
"I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be wrong."
-Cromwell
quote:sorry to say... but you do come off as whats the word... smug... yes... and never once do i see long messages as an attack... only the ignorant and lazy think that... don't assume that i was mad or angered at all don't asume that because, im not a person that enjoys debating/arguing... its just frustrating when you say im saying something, when i really mean something else... still im tired of arguing or in your terms debating... its all the same to me... so believe what you wish... all i really wanted to do was project what i felt and thought... sorry if you feel that im pov flawed... but i'll keep to it i hold by it (again i'll repeat what i feel... i believe that most every abortion can be avoided)... to think this all spawned from one simple statement "now you know thats not true" geez... well enough of this tramping around in unpleasentness... i think this'll be my last post in this thread...
Originally posted by PsychoSnowman
To clarify, i'm not mad i never was, long messages don't equal aggravation at all.
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